# Michael Moore, have you at last no decency? (short) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2004, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041 "2004-04-08T22:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/21 "2004-04-08T23:27:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Moore is a jerk, but he does seem to genuinely believe something needs to be done. It occurs to me that much the same could be said about Rush Limbaugh. And the more those two spout off, the more they remind me of each other. Nice to know that the universal balance is maintained, somehow… ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/22 "2004-04-08T23:28:48Z")
BTW, I looked at the montage closely to see how it was done technically and I notice the photo of Bush is not really “made” by the individual photos but superimposed and merged. It makes it much easier like that. I thought it may have required some fancy somputer program to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/23 "2004-04-08T23:32:37Z")
I don’t see it **sailor** , seems like a genuine photo mosaic to me. The software to do this has been around a long time; the first one I saw was a pic a Jaques Cousteu made of seashells in OMNI magazine (print version) which had to be the 1980’s. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/24 "2004-04-08T23:37:22Z")
An affecting image. Good thing that they did it now – with each passing day, the size of each individual portrait must of necessity become shorter. Won’t be long before such a project will include too many people to be recognizable as human beings at web-friendly resolutions. > [@Sampiro](#): > > …can Moore claim one thing that has ever actually changed for the better **because** of his chest thumping? Well, there’s that fella who’s health insurance company was shamed into covering an organ transplant for. He’s alive today, thanks to the chest-thumping that squeezed the cash for a new pancreas out of them. Oh, and lots of people who are in the market for insurance know the [name of a certain company](http://www.humana.com/) that has a history of trying to weasel out of paying out in cases where their clients are going to die, and have the benefit of that knowledge when they’re shopping for policies. Or how about that hotel that knowingly hired illegal aliens at exploitive wages, and then turned around and called INS on them _after_ they organized for fair treatment. The workers have their US citizenship now, plus legal jobs, and the bastard hoteliers got a taste of spiteful calling-down-the-law, having to bring their hotel in line with health and safety regulations. Oh, and legal hiring practices. Oh, and after a casual observation on _The Conan O’Brian Show_ about some of the labour practices employed by NBC, some of Conan’s own grunts have been “hired” after “temping” at NBC for upwards of ten years. Now poor put-upon NBC actually extends health benefits to them, just like they were employees or something. Of course, depending on where you stand on labour issues, you may not necessarily think they’re “good” things. Personally, I’m glad that Michael Moore is out there. I have issues with some of his reaching, and wish that he wasn’t quite as much of an ideologue. He’s a necessary lowbrow counterweight to the plethora of moronic conservative talk radio pundits. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/25 "2004-04-08T23:46:17Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It’s a lament for what happened to those victims and an accuasatory finger at the person responisble. Don’t you know time to STFU? The image is great. OTOH, you sound like a grubby preacher pushing his own dim-witted brand of Christianity in front of Michelangelo’s “Pieta”. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/26 "2004-04-08T23:48:00Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I don’t see it **sailor** , seems like a genuine photo mosaic to me. Not to me. Look at the individual photos and you will see their color balance, contrast and brightness are very bad. If the are originally like that they are all very bad photos which, by coincidence, match the need for this. i don’t think so. I thinkthey have just been manipulated. Is there anywhere I can get a similar array of photos which do not compose anything? I’d like to try it ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/27 "2004-04-08T23:52:00Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Not to me. Look at the individual photos and you will see their color balance, contrast and brightness are very bad. If the are originally like that they are all very bad photos which, by coincidence, match the need for this. i don’t think so. I just thought they were a lot of bad pics, but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/28 "2004-04-08T23:53:48Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > BTW, I looked at the montage closely to see how it was done technically and I notice the photo of Bush is not really “made” by the individual photos but superimposed and merged. It makes it much easier like that. I thought it may have required some fancy somputer program to do it. A true photomontage will simply use the hues of the unaltered photograph to make the montage, but I’ve seen numerous instances like this, where some photos are tinted to get a desired shade. Usually it’s done if there aren’t enough “unedited” pictures to build the parent image. As for **SPOOFE’s** assertion that this is analogous to Bush’s use of 9/11 imagery in his re-election video, I don’t think it’s quite the same, if only because its use here is about protest and opinion-making, not profiteering/self-promotion. That said, if the artist who created this image were to try to sell it for money(\*), or ignored a request from a family member to remove an image, _that_ would be wrong. (\* = As far as I know, the artist has not tried to profit from this image, and has asked folks to refrain from doing so) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/29 "2004-04-09T00:11:51Z")
Well, I thank the OP for the link. I was browsing the site, and came to a page wherein Moore debunks some of the allegations made about _Bowling for Columbine_. See, I had actually believed some of those assertions were true. When will I learn. For instance, he describes the part about getting the gun directly from the bank on the same day he opened the CD as happening exactly as he depicted in the movie. [I have to learn to stop believing for a second anything coming from the right.](http://michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/) Until I see the proof, anyways. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/30 "2004-04-09T00:21:11Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I just thought they were a lot of bad pics, but I could be wrong. nah. I just did it myself. Take your mugshot and repeat it to make the background. now superimpose it at 30X and adjust the settings and there you have it. In each photo individually you cannot notice much but they add up to the total. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/31 "2004-04-09T00:35:05Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I think it kicks ass. > > Bush murdered these people and this a vivid way to remind everybody of that. Well done. Did the OBL Mosaic come out yet? Or will it take longer since there’s alot more tiles to work with there? ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/32 "2004-04-09T00:43:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Did the OBL Mosaic come out yet? Or will it take longer since there’s alot more tiles to work with there? Wouldn’t it make more sense to have one of Saddam Hussien’s Iraq troops that invaded USA?..oh wait. Really what’s the connection between OBL and US soldiers that died in Iraq? Oh wait that’s Bush’s lies too. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/33 "2004-04-09T00:49:34Z")
> [@Darkhold](#): > > Wouldn’t it make more sense to have one of Saddam Hussien’s Iraq troops that invaded USA?..oh wait. > > Really what’s the connection between OBL and US soldiers that died in Iraq? Oh wait that’s Bush’s lies too. Oh, I thought we were talking about _murderers_… BTW, the Saddam Hussein mosaic would take YEARS to complete… ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/34 "2004-04-09T00:50:20Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > nah. I just did it myself. Take your mugshot and repeat it to make the background. now superimpose it at 30X and adjust the settings and there you have it. In each photo individually you cannot notice much but they add up to the total. I have no doubt it CAN be done, I just wonder if it needed to be done. I added a comment on the American Leftist asking if the original pics were modified, so maybe we’ll get a definitive answer. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/35 "2004-04-09T00:51:24Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > Oh, I thought we were talking about _murderers_… > > BTW, the Saddam Hussein mosaic would take YEARS to complete… …and finding the pictures of the murdered is damn near impossible to boot… ---
**Author:** ![Darkhold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@Darkhold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkhold)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/36 "2004-04-09T00:55:40Z")
> [@](#): > > BTW, the Saddam Hussein mosaic would take YEARS to complete… No shit? Huh I guess my friend was right when he told me about the warehouses of bodies they came across. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/37 "2004-04-09T01:49:25Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > Oh, I thought we were talking about _murderers_… > > BTW, the Saddam Hussein mosaic would take YEARS to complete… As will the final Bush photo. There will be enough to do Rove, Cheney, Rice … ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/38 "2004-04-09T02:52:12Z")
Moore is an interesting guy and has made at least one excellent film. As far as: “can Moore claim one thing that has ever actually changed for the better because of his chest thumping?” Sure, they don’t sell ammo at K-Mart anymore and he has made a lot of folks think. That is 2 things. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/39 "2004-04-09T03:11:14Z")
> [@county](#): > > Moore is an interesting guy and has made at least one excellent film. > > As far as: “can Moore claim one thing that has ever actually changed for the better because of his chest thumping?” > > Sure, they don’t sell ammo at K-Mart anymore and he has made a lot of folks think. > That is 2 things. They do, but not pistol ammo. Of course this in one of the reasons that I wouldn’t piss on the lousy SOB if the cocksucker was on fire. (This board is great for keeping me focused on who the real enemy is.) ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/40 "2004-04-09T03:28:50Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > BTW, I looked at the montage closely to see how it was done technically and I notice the photo of Bush is not really “made” by the individual photos but superimposed and merged. It makes it much easier like that. I thought it may have required some fancy somputer program to do it. The [Bush Asshole Mosaic](http://www.artofresistance.org/bush_mosaic/) of a few months back was made using a similar cheat. I wonder if Moore was aware of that image before he produced _his_ masterwork? This might be a case of artistic plagerism [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041.md?page=3)