# Michael Moore, have you at last no decency? (short) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 8, 2004, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041 "2004-04-08T22:14:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/121 "2004-04-10T20:40:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Moore is an asshole that tries to walk upright like a man, but fails. > > I imagine there are a lot of people who think that was a really cool thing to do. They’re assholes, too. That mosaic was sheer, utter disrespect for the service people who died for their country. But the assholes will blame Bush for their deaths, and at the same time totally ignore their own complicity in those deaths. Ah, another opinion of Moore, thanks. The mosiac, collage, whatever is in no way disrespectful to anyone except perhaps Bush and he is deserving. And, perhaps you can explain just who is responsible for the deaths of those Americans if not Bush? Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![beajerry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@beajerry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beajerry)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/122 "2004-04-10T22:42:49Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I also love the quote from the [Notebooks of Lazarus Long](http://www.bobgod.com/writer/lazaruslong.html): Thanks for that! Excellent. I enjoy the absolute blind-rage people like Moore bring out in some folks. And usually it IS those who fear to question or seek facts. They accept facts from one person without question, and the opposing view just makes them blow a gasket and go crazy with ad hominem attacks. Those that accept/decry anything said in senasation by Moore, O’Reilly, or whoever really deserve their ignorance. It’s like buying a used car based solely on what the used-car salesman tells ya. Suckers! For me, Moore’s a bit of a blow hard, but he raises questions and ideas that should be on the table and answered. His passionate diatribes are only made all the more interesting in contrast to Bush’s disconnected smirk-iness. And I liked the collage photo of Bush. After all, it created this three-page thread! ---
**Author:** ![Tentacle\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@Tentacle\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tentacle_Monster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/123 "2004-04-10T23:57:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > But the assholes will blame Bush for their deaths, and at the same time totally ignore their own complicity in those deaths. Goddamn. “The assholes” more than likely didn’t vote for Bush. Some of “the assholes” probably wrote their members of Congress urging them to vote against the resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq. Exactly how are “the assholes” complicit in those deaths? As far as blaming Bush goes: The President is the Commander-in-Chief of the US military. He is the one who orders the troops to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan, or anywhere else, to fight. My siblings-in-arms could not, even if they wanted to, invade another country on their own. My squadron commander could not send us, nor the group commander, the wing commander, nor even the MAJCOM commander. The order comes down from the President, and therefore he is ultimately the one responsible for the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/124 "2004-04-11T01:30:49Z")
> [@Una Persson](#): > > I only pointed out correctly the difference, and what the page said. I was referring to ‘agiantdwarf’. I’m sorry I didn’t make it clear enough. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2004, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/125 "2004-04-11T02:35:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > I quite agree that there are a number of “assholes” who are “complicit”. I suspect, however, that my list (Bush, Cheney, _et. al._) might be different than yours. Please, we had such a nice bi-partisan agreement on this thing, and you have to fly off the handle like that. Shame on you. Aren’t a national unity and political concord worth at least a small sacrifice? Besides, your words are grossly inaccurate. “Bush, Cheney et al.” are certainly not complicit in soldiers deaths, they are responsible for them. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/126 "2004-04-12T02:32:52Z")
> [@beajerry](#): > > Those that accept/decry anything said in senasation by Moore, O’Reilly, or whoever really deserve their ignorance. Well, now, let’s remember, if Moore, O’Reilly, Coulter, or whoever says something that’s _proven_ to be wrong and idiotic, it’s open season to decry them as clueless disinformation-spreading misleading nutjobs. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/127 "2004-04-12T03:20:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Their own complicity in those deaths…” Hmmmmm. Kept the best for last, did you? Could you be a bit more specific? Who, exactly, these “assholes” are, and what, precisely, is the nature of thier “complicity”? We are at war. Like it or not, we are at war. We need to present a unified front. When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. Disagree all you want with the President. I think, though, that you (generic) should keep it to yourself until the next election and express it then. My $0.02 worth. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/128 "2004-04-12T03:27:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Disagree all you want with the President. I think, though, that you (generic) should keep it to yourself until the next election and express it then. But wouldn’t voting against the President be the ultimate expression of disagreement? And won’t it be hard to campaign against him without expressing disagreement? Seems awfully convenient to not be able to express disagreement until voting day, and awfully contradictory to say that one cannot (~ “should not”) express disagreement with a president while allowing them to vote for someone else. Could you clarify? ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/129 "2004-04-12T03:52:15Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. We all know that Iraqis defending their country against foreign invaders cite Michael Moore as their inspiration. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/130 "2004-04-12T04:20:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. Like I said, great visual. But perhaps shouldn’t be shown to mentally unstable people, right or left. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/131 "2004-04-12T04:49:00Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > We are at war. Like it or not, we are at war. We need to present a unified front. > > When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. > > Disagree all you want with the President. I think, though, that you (generic) should keep it to yourself until the next election and express it then. > > My $0.02 worth. Let’s see…a dubiously elected “president” lies his way into an illegal war, getting hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqis killed for no good reason, then _you_ want to say we shouldn’t criticize him because “we’re at war.” This is like the guy who shot his parents and then asked the judge for leniency on account of he was an orphan. With all due respect, fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/132 "2004-04-12T06:38:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > …My $0.02 worth. Wildly overpriced. You realize, I’m sure, that if yours were the standards for behavior, all a scoundrel need do to ensure his re-election would be to start a war. With anybody, for any reason. A citizen does not discharge his civic duty simply by voting. He confers with his fellow citizens, sometimes argues with his fellow citizens, sometimes leaps up and down, and tears his hair, whatever the situation requires. As well, the situation varies. World War II, it could be fairly argued, may indeed have called for the kind of solidarity you admire. One might feel obliged to refrain from criticizing the _need_ for such a war, but would still be obligated to criticize the _conduct_ of such a war, if such criticism were due. Not to forget we have also perfectly ridiculous examples of military adventures, such as Grenada. A war originally sold on the laughable notion that crack commando Cuban bulldozer drivers were installing runways for use by Soviet long-range bombers (no, I’m not making this up.) The desperately endangered medical students came later. This is the sort of war that would be funny, if it weren’t for the corpses, which tend to dampen hilarity. This sort of war deserves no solidarity whatsoever, but scorn, derision, and contempt, as one values humanity above citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Tentacle\_Monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba9def/32.png) [@Tentacle\_Monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tentacle_Monster)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/133 "2004-04-12T06:44:49Z")
Believe it or not, **Clothahump** , being an American means a lot more than “shut up and support the President”, even if we are at war. I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States, and last time I checked, that included the Bill of Rights. I’m a big fan of the First in that list. You know, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and freedom of the press? Freedom of speech extends to even that of the speech you don’t like. By extension, of course, you’re perfectly in your rights to say we should all shut up and support the Prez. I’m just as free to tell you your opinion bites horse dicks. Oh, and just for the record, how many Iraqis do you think saw that picture? ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/134 "2004-04-12T10:10:52Z")
> [@chula](#): > > We all know that Iraqis defending their country against foreign invaders cite Michael Moore as their inspiration. :rolleyes: I’m gonna need a cite on that. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/135 "2004-04-12T10:37:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > But the assholes will blame Bush for their deaths, and at the same time totally ignore their own complicity in those deaths. > [@](#): > > We are at war. Like it or not, we are at war. We need to present a unified front. > > When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. > > Disagree all you want with the President. I think, though, that you (generic) should keep it to yourself until the next election and express it then. > > My $0.02 worth. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! How dare you. How fucking dare you. We are at war? WE? Am I an asshole for disagreeing with this damnfool war? Am I responsible for the death of the 650 troops (and many thousand innocent iraqis) because I speak out against Bush? FUCK YOU. and I should just shut up about it until Bush is reelected so you can present a “united front”? everyone should pretend that THEY WEREN’T LIED TO, that the American public were duped into a War for the benefit of Corporate America and not for democracy? You are a fucking sheep. It’s attitudes like yours that gets innocent people killed. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/136 "2004-04-12T13:12:43Z")
I cannot believe that people actually so goddamned stupid to think the way **Clothahump** does, with this “we cannot dissent, we’re at war” attitude. I simply cannot think of a more dangerous and thick-headed notion. This idea that once there’s a war then we all have to support it, no matter what doubts there are about it’s necessity… it’s simply astonishing it’s so ignorant. Why is not obvious to anyone with an IQ over room-temperature that war is the thing that MOST needs to be debated? Sweet Jesus, we debate things like taxes, but when it comes to people dying, we have to shut up? Goddamn. Brainless. Fucking. Idiot. I wonder how many innocents have been brutally killed in unecessary wars because of this utterly shameful, disgraceful, un-American attitude. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/137 "2004-04-12T13:46:15Z")
> [@TwistofFate](#): > > FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! > How dare you. How fucking dare you. We are at war? WE? Am I an asshole for disagreeing with this damnfool war? Am I responsible for the death of the 650 troops (and many thousand innocent iraqis) because I speak out against Bush? > > FUCK YOU. > > and I should just shut up about it until Bush is reelected so you can present a “united front”? everyone should pretend that THEY WEREN’T LIED TO, that the American public were duped into a War for the benefit of Corporate America and not for democracy? > > You are a fucking sheep. It’s attitudes like yours that gets innocent people killed. No offemse, **Twisty** , but you’re a foreigner–you don’t participate in our political process, so you can tell the truth about Bush all you please with impunity. It’s those of us who live here who have to fear the **Clothahumps** of this country who would sell our liberty for a little temporary security. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/138 "2004-04-12T14:04:53Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > We are at war. Like it or not, we are at war. We need to present a unified front. > > When assholes like Michael Moore post crap like that, it is aid and support of the enemy. They take heart from the division in our country and it strengthens them. And they then go out and kill more of our troops. > > Disagree all you want with the President. I think, though, that you (generic) should keep it to yourself until the next election and express it then. > > My $0.02 worth. In other words, if you’re not with us, you’re against us. Uh huh. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/139 "2004-04-12T14:40:57Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > No offemse, **Twisty** , but you’re a foreigner–you don’t participate in our political process, so you can tell the truth about Bush all you please with impunity. > > It’s those of us who live here who have to fear the **Clothahumps** of this country who would sell our liberty for a little temporary security. Respectfully disagree **gobear**. Evil is _everyone’s_ problem. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041/140 "2004-04-12T14:49:56Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Respectfully disagree **gobear**. Evil is _everyone’s_ problem. Gotta agree with that. Kinda like fucking stupid morons are everyone’s problem, especially when they get to be president. (It is so great to be articulate 🙂 ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-have-you-at-last-no-decency-short/239041.md?page=8)