# Michael Moore is a liar after all **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 30, 2004, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665 "2004-07-30T23:35:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/181 "2004-08-03T12:34:57Z")
Meh. **Snakespirit** specializes is content-free namecalling posts, in which he assigns his worst political seins to his enemies. I see no point in asking him for cites. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/182 "2004-08-03T12:37:03Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > If you include doctoring newspaper headlines depicted in F911, which I do. > > [http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new\_20040730034.shtml](http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/073004/new_20040730034.shtml) > > So what else in the film has been fabricated? Pretty much everything. [http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm](http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/183 "2004-08-03T13:22:46Z")
Fine, fine, it’s all a fabrication and lie. 59 times over according to the preceding link. In which case it should be easy to point to just one, thats O-N-E in your face, out-and -out unarguable lie. Not, arguable misrepresentation, sinister camera angle, unfavourable colour filter or unflattering musical insert. One instance where Moore indicates a fact that is not true. So where is it, we’re waiting? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/184 "2004-08-03T18:32:38Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Meh. **Snakespirit** specializes is content-free namecalling posts, in which he assigns his worst political seins to his enemies. I see no point in asking him for cites. > > Daniel It seems to have shut him up - I’d call that a good reason. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/185 "2004-08-03T19:07:44Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > There was a similar complaint from the anti-Moore folks about a scene in _Bowling for Columbine_ in which it was alleged that Moore had overlaid the charges made against Willie Horton over the infamous turnstile ad in such a way as to make it look like that’s what the the original ad had done. > > I watched the film on TV recently to check out this charge… It should be pointed out that (IIRC) Moore retouched up this bit on the video/DVD release, and is different than the film version. I don’t know nearly enough about the context of the situation to comment further, however. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/186 "2004-08-03T19:53:26Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Pretty much everything. > > [http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm](http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm) And **Clothahump** demostrates that he’s a know-nothing Bush apologist who can’t even be bothered to read the stuff he’s citing, since a cursory scan of Kopel’s list shows it to be nothing but straw men and irrelevant nonsense. A clue for ya, **Cloth:** when Dave Kopel writes, “Michael Moore wasn’t from Flint, MI, he’s from a middle-class suburb of Flint!”, that is _not_ an example of Moore lying – it’s an example of Mr. Kopel desperately looking for bullshit to pad his list with. But hey, don’t let me do all the talking: [Deception; Desperate Right Wing Attacks on Fahrenheit 9/11;](http://www.opednews.com/wade_071004_deception.htm) If you pile up enough excrement in front of something, you may block the view, but the fact is it’s still just shit blocking the view. [Debunking the 59 Deceits](http://anton-sirius.dailykos.com/) Of course, this would require **Clothahump** to actually _read_ and _comprehend_ the materials on those pages, two skills he hasn’t shown any proficiency in so far… ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665/187 "2004-08-03T20:18:22Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > It should be pointed out that (IIRC) Moore retouched up this bit on the video/DVD release, and is different than the film version. I don’t know nearly enough about the context of the situation to comment further, however. I read the same thing, but I _believe_ (but don’t know for sure) that the versions of films released to premium cable channels are _usually_ the same as the theatrical versions. The home video/DVD versions are prepared and released later than the cable versions. IANAL, YMMV, IMHO, etc. etc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-liar-after-all/257665.md?page=9)