# Michael Moore is a prick of the highest order. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 2, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158 "2003-09-02T16:30:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![I\_Know\_Nothing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f04885/32.png) [@I\_Know\_Nothing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Know_Nothing)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/21 "2003-09-02T18:50:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gangster Octopus \* > \*\*I don’t have a cite, but I recall reading it was in the woods. \*\* No…That was the pope. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/22 "2003-09-02T18:55:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*The difference between Moore and Limbaugh is that Moore DOES NOT FUCKING LIE!! > Prove one fucking lie, motherfuckers. One fucking lie. You can’t fucking do it. > > Conservatives just can’t handle the truth. \*\* Holy fucking shit! :eek: That post was not written by _me_, folks. My brother was visting earlier and he decided to have some fun while I was taking a piss. He says that’s the only thing he posted but I’m not positive. if you see any other suicidal challenges made by me it was probably him. I may be a shrill ideologue but I’m not crazy enough to paint a target like _that_ on my back. FTR, I think Moore used some editorial slight of hand in BFC, and included some lies of omission (like not explaining the Heston NRA clip) but I don’t think he told any explicit falsehoods. I now return you to your regularly scheduled Diogenes. From now on, all the hysterical, partisan screaming will be mine. I apologize for my brother, the card. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/23 "2003-09-02T18:57:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hroeder \* > \*\*. . .there aren’t really any giants or little people. . . \*\* :eek: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/24 "2003-09-02T19:03:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hroeder \* > \*\*. . .there aren’t really any giants or little people. . . \*\* :eek: ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/25 "2003-09-02T19:42:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fessie \* > \*\* Moore’s point about 68 gun deaths was made in a specific context within a global statement. Even if you toss out the UK as a particular example, the other countries he cites make the point compelling. > \*\* I just saw the DVD this weekend as well, and I found this the most laughable point of the film. He kept saying Germany (in Moore’s view, the scariest country on the planet, obviously) has EXPONENTIALLY less gun murders than the U.S. Well no shit. Germany is smaller than Texas. In porportion, the murder rate seems about the same. And I don’t care for the ambush on Dick Clark or K-Mart or over dramatically sticking the little girl’s photo on Charlton Heston’s wall. It had some great points to discuss, and then went off the rails with the drama, at some point turning into Helen Lovejoy and thinking of the Children!!! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/26 "2003-09-02T19:44:39Z")
Lol **DTC** , I was starting to think you lost the “final marble” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/27 "2003-09-02T19:47:02Z")
_fessie says:_ > [@](#): > > It seems that the NRA wasn’t willing to let people grieve in peace, they had to grandstand and rally their troops. If you are speaking of the NRA meeting in Colorado held shortly after the Columbine shootings, then you are in error. This was **not** a “rally” of any kind. The NRA simply held a long-scheduled director’s meeting. Rank-and-file members and other NRA supporters took no part of any significance at this meeting. This is explained in great detail in more than one GD thread about _Bowling for Columbine_. And his criticisms of Heston were more than mere criticisms. some statements attributed to Heston were outright fabrications and others were taken so wholly out of context that they have no real meaning. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/28 "2003-09-02T19:50:28Z")
Oh yeah. > [@](#): > > 1. Didn’t it strike anyone else as hilarious that the guy talking about not solving problems via violence was standing right in front of a big bomb that his company sells? That’s **not** a bomb. It’s a rocket used to deliver satellite payloads. > [@](#): > > But I look forward to learning more about this issue when I have a moment. I look forward to that, too. ---
**Author:** ![45\_70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/5f9b8f/32.png) [@45\_70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/45_70)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/29 "2003-09-02T19:50:45Z")
Mr. **Diogenes the Cynic** please provide proof that you didn’t post that reply. I, for one will not take your word. Please provide proof for both the significant and insignificant parts please. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/30 "2003-09-02T20:02:17Z")
Well, I found Michael Moore’s conduct in **Bowling For Columbine** to be utterly contemptible, not only for his misrepresentation of facts and his using the Columbine survivors for the K-Mart stunt, but for allowing his reputation for dishonesty to taint a useful discussion on violence in America. What Michael Moore fails to realize is that you don’t fight lies with more lies, but wiht truth. Looka t Molly Ivins. Instead of being an egoistic blowhard like Al Franken or Michael Moore, she has instead been a hardworking journalist with a reputation for a salty sense of humor and uncompromising integrity. We need more writers and filmmakers on both the Left and Right who share her ideals and standards for honesty and fair reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/31 "2003-09-02T20:20:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 45/70 \* > \*\*Mr. **Diogenes the Cynic** please provide proof that you didn’t post that reply. I, for one will not take your word. Please provide proof for both the significant and insignificant parts please. \*\* Are you kidding? Did you forget a smiley? How the fuck could I possibly prove it? You can take my word for it or not. What the fuck do I care? (The significant/insignificant stuff is all just IMO. He used some video clips in a misleading way. He did not explicitly lie. It was a little Coulteresque except that she misleads _and_ explicitly lies) ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/32 "2003-09-02T20:20:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gangster Octopus \* > \*\*I don’t have a cite, but I recall reading it was in the woods. \*\* I just came back from Montana, and I can tell you this much. It’s _not_ in the woods. I know. I was just as amazed as you. As it turns out, they poop on the road. Usually right near choke cherry trees. You can rely on all that rumor and innuendo regarding their defecation habits, but I am an eye witness. It was everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/33 "2003-09-02T20:27:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Instead of being an egoistic blowhard like Al Franken or Michael Moore, Franken may be egositic but his books are honest. _His_ journalistic integrity I _will_ defend. His newest book is very good. It’s scathing, funny and most importantly it is factually accurate. He had a team of Harvard students helping him with the research and the book is fact-checked to a fare-thee-well, unlike Coulter or Hannity or _Moore_, his book holds up to scrutiny. He’s not a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/34 "2003-09-02T20:28:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 45/70 \* > \*\*Mr. **Diogenes the Cynic** please provide proof that you didn’t post that reply. I, for one will not take your word. Please provide proof for both the significant and insignificant parts please. \*\* Oh come on. I hope you are not serious. Unless he is trying to cover up for drunken posting, I have no problem believing **Diogenes the Cynic**. 1. He has nothing to gain from posting that and then retracting that. 2. Althought the guy is pretty far to the left, I have never known him to ever be such a flaming psycho before. 3. Hi **Opal**! Anyway, what sort of evidence would you want? ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/35 "2003-09-02T20:40:56Z")
Note to self - read all links first. That Heston counter-argument is pretty damning. I’m just really surprised that Moore generates such hostility at SDMB. And I still think it’s a great movie, although apparently a flawed one. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/36 "2003-09-02T20:54:34Z")
It might be a great movie - if Moore would acknowledge that it’s nothing more than _entertainment_. He won’t do that, however. He holds it out as a documentary. Which it most certainly is not. Moore earns the enmity of the SDMB for his misleading tactics and intentional deception. I can’t say whether he lies outright, or not, but he certainly plays fast-and-loose with the truth when it suits his agenda. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/37 "2003-09-02T21:14:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*It might be a great movie - if Moore would acknowledge that it’s nothing more than _entertainment_. He won’t do that, however. He holds it out as a documentary. Which it most certainly is not. Moore earns the enmity of the SDMB for his misleading tactics and intentional deception. I can’t say whether he lies outright, or not, but he certainly plays fast-and-loose with the truth when it suits his agenda. \*\* I think it was Jean Renior who said that documentaries are “the most false form of film-making.” Anyone who goes into a documentary expecting the unvarnished version of a single, universal truth is always going to come away very dissappointed. Even those documentaries that get all the basic “facts” right still manipulate using directorial techniques, camera angles, loaded questions, unbalanced presentation, etc., etc., ad nauseum. For these reasons alone, the whole “it’s not a documentary” schtick is rather pointless. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/38 "2003-09-02T21:19:49Z")
**gobear** , anybody who digs Molly Ivins is OK by me. I take back half the stuff I said about you. I think the point is telling. Ms. Ivins (May the Good Lord bless her and keep her well) is not remotely a sensationalist. This is partly due, no doubt, to a lifetime of covering Texas politics, where sensationalism and irony become simply impossible. Her attitude seems to be mordantly factual with the presumption that sheer fact is sensational enough, we _ought_ to be outraged. Moore _demands_ outrage, he can’t seem to resist it, and that’s fair enough. The culture of violence spewed by our media centers around the gun as icon. This is not news. But because it is ubiquitous it is possible to stop thinking about it, it becomes just part of the background noise. Until someone makes you stop and ask “Why? Howcum? How many kids can distinguish between a Glock 9 and .45 1911”. I suspect he has fallen into the syncophant trap, his fame has attracted people who relay a false impression of his importance to him. He has started trying to _change_ people rather than get them to pay attention to an issue. Which he should stick to, 'cause he’s good at it and his talents are sorely needed. But give it to me straight, Mike. I can take it. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/39 "2003-09-02T21:27:14Z")
> [@](#): > > _OP’ed by gobear:_ > What Michael Moore fails to realize is that you don’t fight lies with more lies, but with truth. Look at Molly Ivins. Instead of being an egoistic blowhard like Al Franken or Michael Moore, she has instead been a hardworking journalist with a reputation for a salty sense of humor and uncompromising integrity. We need more writers and filmmakers on both the Left and Right who share her ideals and standards for honesty and fair reporting. Well put, **gobear**. Problem is, I bet Moore has more money and fame than Ivins (who I’ve never heard of). Root of all evil and all that. Honestly, I don’t know where the hell I fall on the political spectrum, but I know this- Moore’s an idiot. He’s trying to fight for a worthy cause, and he’s doing a shitload more damage than good. Anyone else kind it funny that Moore bitches about people in the media spinning the truth? > [@](#): > > MOORE: Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel. Come and get me, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158/40 "2003-09-02T21:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*It might be a great movie - if Moore would acknowledge that it’s nothing more than _entertainment_. He won’t do that, however. He holds it out as a documentary. Which it most certainly is not. Moore earns the enmity of the SDMB for his misleading tactics and intentional deception. I can’t say whether he lies outright, or not, but he certainly plays fast-and-loose with the truth when it suits his agenda. \*\* I think Moore has stated at some point that he is an entertainer first, and journalist next. Then again, there are also plenty of instances where he gets all offended when the errors and deliberate misleadings of BFC are pointed out. I agree that his conduct and tactics discredit what could have been a great documentary. I still like it, and I think he’s spot-on in some regards - but he loses credibility for his tactics. He used to be thought provoking (if a bit reactionary) with his TV Nation series, and BFC was fun to watch too, but he IS making an ass of himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-is-a-prick-of-the-highest-order/199158.md?page=3)