# Michael Moore just posted a picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367 "2013-07-12T22:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/181 "2013-07-18T16:05:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > We don’t lock people away for being creeps, or being the “worst kind” of person. Fortunately. > > He has no “rap sheet”. > > He’s not been convicted of any sex offences, nor even charged or investigated for them. > > Being pleased that you’ve not been falsely charged with a crime is not an indication of bad behaviour. > > Whilst he may have been racist ten years ago, or at least made stupid posts that seemed that way (although were hardly explicit), he’s been actively anti-racist since. > > And, finally, he was Martin’s victim. > > So, factually wrong on every count. Well done. Fuck that . His myspace was 2005-2006 That’s not ten years by my count.. Martin’s victim my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/182 "2013-07-18T16:21:12Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > I conceal nothing. Your summary concealed the fact that Martin was on top. Here again is your summary: > [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Yeah, the eyewitness did not see any slamming of heads on the ground, nor did he eyeball Trayvon or Zimmerman, he saw two men fighting one appeared to be on top of the other. And here’s the actual testimony: > [@](#): > > Good testified that he saw what he believed to be Martin on top of Zimmerman. > > “The color on top was dark and the color at bottom was…red,” Good said referring to the men’s clothing. > > At another point he told the court that the person on the bottom had “lighter skin color.” > > Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt. Does your summary of the testimony mention that Martin was on top of Zimmerman? It does not, does it? Why didn’t you mention that? ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/183 "2013-07-18T16:24:55Z")
Why do you continue to talk about one person’s testimony? Because it suits your argument that the defendent, already a liar, is credible? There are others who testified that Trayvon said “get off” so who would be on top then? Face it, it’s open season on black kids. > **[Wisconsin: Trial Begins for White Man in Killing of a Black Teenager...](https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/us/wisconsin-trial-begins-for-white-man-in-killing-of-a-black-teenager.html?_r=1&)** > > Fourteen jurors have been selected to hear the case of a 76-year-old white Milwaukee man charged with homicide in the killing of an unarmed 13-year-old black boy. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/184 "2013-07-18T16:36:34Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Fuck that . His myspace was 2005-2006 That’s not ten years by my count.. Martin’s victim my ass. Fair point. He may have been racist 7 or 8 years ago, his actions since have shown he isn’t now. And yes, he was Martin’s victim, at least until the point you can offer any evidence (let alone proof) that Martin’s beating of him was justified. Not just the first punch, the continued beating. Show me what Zimmerman did, with evidence not speculation, that justified that beating. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/185 "2013-07-18T16:37:10Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Why do you continue to talk about one person’s testimony? Because it suits your argument that the defendent, already a liar, is credible? There are others who testified that Trayvon said “get off” so who would be on top then? Martin said, “Get off,” BEFORE the events you were talking about. And you weren’t talking about what Jeantel HEARD – you were talking about what the eyewitness SAW: > [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Yeah, the eyewitness did not see any slamming of heads on the ground, nor did he eyeball Trayvon or Zimmerman, he saw two men fighting one appeared to be on top of the other. That’s not Jeantel, the witness who heard “Get off,” is it? So why did you conceal the fact that this eyewitness actually identified who was on top? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/186 "2013-07-18T16:42:16Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Face it, it’s open season on black kids. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/us/wisconsin-trial-begins-for-white-man-in-killing-of-a-black-teenager.html?\_r=1&](http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/16/us/wisconsin-trial-begins-for-white-man-in-killing-of-a-black-teenager.html?_r=1&) Another concealment of relevant information? In the link you offer, we learn that John Spooner is accused of fatally shooting his 13-year-old neighbor after accusing that neighbor of burglary. You say this proves it’s “open season” on black kids. But as it happens, [Mr. Spooner was found guilty](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594207-504083/darius-simmons-murder-john-henry-spooner-wis-man-76-guilty-in-fatal-shooting-of-13-year-old-teen-neighbor/) of the criminal act. Did you deliberately leave that piece of information off your post? Is this kind of thing a habit with you – concealing relevant information? Why did you fail to mention this conviction? And why did you fail to mention the witness’ testimony showed Martin on top of Zimmerman? ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/187 "2013-07-18T17:37:24Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Odd how, instead of trying to get away from him, he came back to him then. Again, according to the perp with the violent offender background (child molester, police officer batterer and domestic violence perp) and the truth teller, who told so many lies throughout from beginning to end. How could anyone believe this whopper for example, that he was chasing after tm, out of breath then halfway there, decides " oh well, what the hell, I will just double back and go sot in my car for a while. He also told 911 tm was a kid, he says he was in his teens and a kid, so why did he later lie to tms parents on the stand and tell them he thought tm was in his late twenties? To help sway public opinion. Because nobody likes a child killer ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/188 "2013-07-18T17:40:34Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Again, according to the perp with the violent offender background (child molester, police officer batterer and domestic violence perp) and the truth teller, who told so many lies throughout from beginning to end. How could anyone believe this whopper for example, that he was chasing after tm, out of breath then halfway there, decides " oh well, what the hell, I will just double back and go sot in my car for a while. He also told 911 tm was a kid, he says he was in his teens and a kid, so why did he later lie to tms parents on the stand and tell them he thought tm was in his late twenties? To help sway public opinion. Because nobody likes a child killer Write this in English and I’ll respond properly. I will say that your statement that Zimmerman has a violent offender background is utterly false, and to accuse him of child molestation without damn good evidence is fucking disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/189 "2013-07-18T17:44:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Another concealment of relevant information? > > In the link you offer, we learn that John Spooner is accused of fatally shooting his 13-year-old neighbor after accusing that neighbor of burglary. You say this proves it’s “open season” on black kids. > > But as it happens, [Mr. Spooner was found guilty](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594207-504083/darius-simmons-murder-john-henry-spooner-wis-man-76-guilty-in-fatal-shooting-of-13-year-old-teen-neighbor/) of the criminal act. > > Did you deliberately leave that piece of information off your post? > > Is this kind of thing a habit with you – concealing relevant information? > > Why did you fail to mention this conviction? And why did you fail to mention the witness’ testimony showed Martin on top of Zimmerman? He was found guilty? Excellent. Just yesterday I see. Nothing concealed there. And why haven’t you answered the question of when Trayvon said “Get Off” what are you avoiding? Zimmerman also lied under oath. Why haven’t you acknowledged that fact? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/190 "2013-07-18T17:55:45Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > And why haven’t you answered the question of when Trayvon said “Get Off” what are you avoiding? Zimmerman also lied under oath. Why haven’t you acknowledged that fact? I imagine because both those things are, at the absolute best, unproven, and most likely not true in the slightest. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/191 "2013-07-18T17:59:47Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Write this in English and I’ll respond properly. > > I will say that your statement that Zimmerman has a violent offender background is utterly false, and to accuse him of child molestation without damn good evidence is fucking disgusting. I think you’re the same person who was ordering another poster to “back up her statements or withdraw them”. I find your manner of discussion manipulative and domineering. The fact that you don’t agree with me, or that your need to support gz despite multiple violent offenses in his past, that is your business. But it doesn’t invalidate the opnions ir beliefs. of others. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/192 "2013-07-18T18:02:55Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > I think you’re the same person who was ordering another poster to “back up her statements or withdraw them”. I find your manner of discussion manipulative and domineering. The fact that you don’t agree with me, or that your need to support gz despite multiple violent offenses in his past, that is your business. But it doesn’t invalidate the opnions ir beliefs. of others. Your inability to write coherently invalidates your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/193 "2013-07-18T18:07:54Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I imagine because both those things are, at the absolute best, unproven, and most likely not true in the slightest. Ah yes, because they discount what good old gz says. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/194 "2013-07-18T18:09:09Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Your inability to write coherently invalidates your opinion. As I said, I find your style to be manipulative, if it hits a nerve, then you can’t comprehend it ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/195 "2013-07-18T18:14:52Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > As I said, I find your style to be manipulative, if it hits a nerve, then you can’t comprehend it What? If what you said hits a nerve, it means I didn’t comprehend it? That makes even less sense that your arguments about Zimmerman. ---
**Author:** ![hmarvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/858c86/32.png) [@hmarvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hmarvin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/196 "2013-07-18T19:50:18Z")
> [@AlaskanMatt](#): > > **WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGE** > > [http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tn56hwlcf83jpg/k-bigpic.jpg](http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tn56hwlcf83jpg/k-bigpic.jpg) ottom Why is Trayvon Martin wearing all white golf shoes, with pegs on the bottom, when he was wearing regular white shoes, wih black surround at the laces and the outside bottom edge at the 7-11? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/197 "2013-07-18T21:08:27Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > He was found guilty? Excellent. Just yesterday I see. Nothing concealed there. And why haven’t you answered the question of when Trayvon said “Get Off” what are you avoiding? Zimmerman also lied under oath. Why haven’t you acknowledged that fact? When was Zimmerman under oath? He never lied under oath, so far as I’m aware. What in heaven’s name are you babbling about? That never happened. I spoke directly to the issue of when Martin said, “Get off,” in post 185: > [@Bricker](#): > > Martin said, “Get off,” BEFORE the events you were talking about. See how I answer your questions directly and completely? Now answer mine: why did you conceal the fact that the eyewitness testimony described Martin on top and Zimmerman on the bottom? ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/198 "2013-07-19T02:13:56Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What? If what you said hits a nerve, it means I didn’t comprehend it? That makes even less sense that your arguments about Zimmerman. What I am saying (and that since your assumably a somewhat intelligent person) is that because it hits a nerve, you claim you can’t comprehend what I am saying, If you dont agree, dont be so coy, come out and say so, no need to divert the argument by hiding behind a pretense of not being able to comprehend it. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/199 "2013-07-19T02:51:39Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > What I am saying (and that since your assumably a somewhat intelligent person) is that because it hits a nerve, you claim you can’t comprehend what I am saying, If you dont agree, dont be so coy, come out and say so, no need to divert the argument by hiding behind a pretense of not being able to comprehend it. Why did you claim Zimmerman had only one friend, when that was manifestly untrue? Don’t be coy. Answer. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/200 "2013-07-19T03:53:16Z")
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