# Michael Moore just posted a picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367 "2013-07-12T22:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/61 "2013-07-13T19:09:44Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Here’s an idea: let’s look at the law in Florida: > > Florida JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE > Chapter 776 > > 776.041  **Use of force by aggressor.** —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter **is not available** to a person who: > (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or > (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, **unless** : > (a)  **Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant** ; or > (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. > History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102. Great, thanks…that doesnt say shit about what happened that night ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/62 "2013-07-13T19:11:29Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Yeah, I pretty much got told to keep my white nose where it belonged. > > _Shrug_ I don’t see where she told you that. However I have seen some here imply that trayvon shouldve stayed where HE belonged. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/63 "2013-07-13T19:12:01Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Great, thanks…that doesnt say shit about what happened that night Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman shot him. Next? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/64 "2013-07-13T19:17:52Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > Unless Zimmerman or Manalo had Superman’s X-ray vision, how the hell would they know he was going under cardiac arrest? You see, Sir, when you see another human prone or writhing in agony: YOU FUCKING HELP THEM. If Zimmerman had better training with the gun he would have fired a grouping of shots. The point of using a gun to defend yourself is to kill the other person. You may disagree with the right to use deadly force but your doesn’t apply legally to this case. I’m not sure why you think he should have performed CPR on Martin but I for one would not try to resuscitate someone who brutally attacked me. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/65 "2013-07-13T19:20:25Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The point of using a gun to defend yourself is to kill the other person. Nitpick: The point is to stop the threat; whether the attacker is killed or not is irrelevant. But I wouldn’t give first-aid to a person who’d attacked me, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/66 "2013-07-13T19:23:50Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > I don’t see where she told you that. However I have seen some here imply that trayvon shouldve stayed where HE belonged. Trayvon should not have attacked Zimmerman. By the evidence at hand it appears he went out of his way to confront Zimmerman twice. By the description Zimmerman gave of the first event it appears confrontational in nature. This is a kid who has consistently demonstrated poor judgement and also a love of street fighting. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/67 "2013-07-13T19:24:26Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > She doesnt need to be a doctor, nothing to do with it. Just a concerned citizen alerting authorities of a suspicious person And again: > [@Honesty](#): > > Frankly, as I stated before, either you have [neural software](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028393205002666) or you [don’t](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364661305001804), and believe me from the posts I’ve here, the lot of you are monsters ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/68 "2013-07-13T19:24:58Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > I’ll wear your grandpa’s clothes. > I look incredible. As long as your grandpa doesn’t wear a hoodie, you’re golden. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/69 "2013-07-13T19:26:12Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Nitpick: The point is to stop the threat; whether the attacker is killed or not is irrelevant. > > But I wouldn’t give first-aid to a person who’d attacked me, that’s for sure. I’d nitpick your nitpick. Don’t shoot someone unless you intend to kill them or you’re Annie Oakley and can just successfully wing the person. Good luck with that one. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/70 "2013-07-13T19:26:26Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > As long as your grandpa doesn’t wear a hoodie, you’re golden. > > Regards, > Shodan Monster! ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/71 "2013-07-13T19:28:01Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’d nitpick your nitpick. Don’t shoot someone unless you intend to kill them or you’re Annie Oakley and can just successfully wing the person. Good luck with that one. Oh, you’ve already decided that you’re _willing_ to cause death. But the instructor in my class (and the witness in the Zimmerman trial) both used the language of “stop the threat.” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/72 "2013-07-13T19:28:44Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Great, thanks…that doesnt say shit about what happened that night It does, it says that even if Zimmerman was the initial aggressor, he was allowed to kill Martin. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/73 "2013-07-13T19:38:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It does, it says that even if Zimmerman was the initial aggressor, he was allowed to kill Martin. ONLY if you believe his account that tm caused him to fear for his life. I do not, like many others, believe that. He didnt have to killtm, he wanted to ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/74 "2013-07-13T19:40:14Z")
Okay, these threads have gone on far enough with near insults and name-calling. After this post, **warnings will be given out for anyone insulting or even insinuating insults toward another person.** So I suggest everyone in here either dial it back or make a thread in the Pit finally, because this is the first and last note in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/75 "2013-07-13T19:41:17Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > ONLY if you believe his account that tm caused him to fear for his life. I do not, like many others, believe that. He didnt have to killtm, he wanted to No no, UNLESS you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did not reasonably fear death or serious injury. Believing his account is irrelevant, the simple fact that it exists requires that it be disproved. What you, or many others, believe doesn’t matter. It’s what can be proved that matters. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/76 "2013-07-13T19:42:58Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > ONLY if you believe his account that tm caused him to fear for his life. I do not, like many others, believe that. He didnt have to killtm, he wanted to You, and others, disbelieve. I, and others, believe. That’s been noted. Repeatedly. And it’s also completely irrelevant to anything, since the only people that matter in the court case are the jurors. So…where you wanna go next? ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/77 "2013-07-13T19:45:47Z")
Ok, I wasn’t sure if you realized not everybody agrees with you, and in fact many do not. From your alpha aggressive sounding posts that command others to " withdraw their comments" it sounded like you feel there is no room for opinions that differ from yours ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/78 "2013-07-13T19:49:00Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > You, and others, disbelieve. I, and others, believe. That’s been noted. Repeatedly. > > And it’s also completely irrelevant to anything, since the only people that matter in the court case are the jurors. > > So…where you wanna go next? It’s not a case of believing his account on it’s own merits, it’s a case of believing it where it fits with the other evidence. Which is most of it. To disbelieve Zimmerman;s account that Martin attacked him, and he defended himself, you have to believe that most of the witnesses were mistaken or lying, the forensic tests were mistaken, and all the circumstantial evidence that points to the truth of his statement is irrelevant. I don’t see a way to support that position, and as no-one has actually tried to show why Zimmerman’s account is wrong, preferring to use ad hominem attacks and distraction techniques, I still don’t know _why_ people disbelieve the account. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/79 "2013-07-13T19:50:17Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Ok, I wasn’t sure if you realized not everybody agrees with you, and in fact many do not. From your alpha aggressive sounding posts that command others to " withdraw their comments" it sounded like you feel there is no room for opinions that differ from yours I didn’t command anyone to withdraw their comments, I asked them to back them up or withdraw them, after I showed that they had no basis to support their claims. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/80 "2013-07-13T19:54:11Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Okay, these threads have gone on far enough with near insults and name-calling. > > After this post, **warnings will be given out for anyone insulting or even insinuating insults toward another person.** > > So I suggest everyone in here either dial it back or make a thread in the Pit finally, because this is the first and last note in this thread. Pit thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16469739#post16469739](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16469739#post16469739) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=5)