# Michael Moore just posted a picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367 "2013-07-12T22:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/81 "2013-07-13T20:01:32Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I didn’t command anyone to withdraw their comments, I asked them to back them up or withdraw them, after I showed that they had no basis to support their claims. Ok, well the way you worded it was ordering her to support them or withdraw them now. Thats good to hear you didnt mean it how it sounded. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/82 "2013-07-13T20:03:57Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Ok, well the way you worded it was ordering her to support them or withdraw them now. Thats good to hear you didnt mean it how it sounded. I, like the NEN dispatcher Zimmerman spoke to, have no power to order anyone here to do anything, so any appearance that I’m doing so is an obvious misinterpretation. ---
**Author:** ![Andiethewestie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Andiethewestie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andiethewestie)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/83 "2013-07-13T20:08:08Z")
The responses in this thread are an eye opener. I was at first upset with Moore for not giving me fair warning as I clicked the link, but in hindsight, I would not have opened it if I was warned. so I saw it, and now what to do? Brush it off until the next kid gets killed? Make jokes because death is just something that happens? Treyvon was just a kid. A kid who had every right to live and breathe in this world as I do. Even if he were a menace which I am not at all convinced he was, there’s got to be a better way to deal with it than hiding behind a dumb law. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/84 "2013-07-13T20:31:31Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > When Emmett Till was brutally murdered by white people, Ms. Mobley (his mother) did something extraordinary: she insisted that there be an open casket. She wanted the world to see how the U.S treats their own citizens. …as did the mother of Sandy Hook murder victim Noah Pozner. [From the news report:](http://thegrio.com/2013/02/01/sandy-hook-victims-open-casket-channels-emmett-till/#50667141) > [@](#): > > Pozner’s mother, Veronique, told the Jewish Daily Forward that she made the painful decision to to have an open casket for his wake in order to show people the “ugliness” of gun violence. > > “We all saw how beautiful he was. He had thick, shiny hair, beautiful long eyelashes that rested on his cheeks. He looked like he was sleeping. But the reality of it was under the cloth he had covering his mouth there was no mouth left. His jaw was blown away,” she said. I grew up in a house with guns. Two guns, to be precise - my father’s official police department revolver and the snub-nosed one that he carried off-duty. That was it. No rifles, no other guns. It was a tool that was required for his work. I just do not understand the mindset of people who want to own those things if they do not have a job that requires it. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/85 "2013-07-13T20:48:39Z")
I read online today that the new craze among the young and clueless is Trayvoning. They are posing themselves and taking pictures. (Don’t care to get any more graphic than that.) Someone needs to take them aside and talk about the seriousness of a young man’s death and the proper use of social media. Ick. And, for crying out loud, **Honesty** , stop reading That Racist Site Which Will Not Be Named before your mind is as sick and twisted as the folks who post there. It’s not doing your mental health a lick of good. Why do you want to alienate people who may disagree with you but have no animosity? In fact, consider that, since this is a board that fights ignorance. Just because people don’t see things the way you do does not mean they want to hurt you. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/86 "2013-07-13T21:06:20Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Oh, you’ve already decided that you’re _willing_ to cause death. But the instructor in my class (and the witness in the Zimmerman trial) both used the language of “stop the threat.” so your instructor told you to shoot the person where? I was taught to group a series of shots in the center mass of the target. Now unless I misunderstood, the intent was to INSURE you stopped the person. You describe it in whatever way makes you feel better but shooting in the center mass is going to stop them morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely, undeniably and reliably dead. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/87 "2013-07-13T21:11:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > so your instructor told you to shoot the person where? I was taught to group a series of shots in the center mass of the target. Now unless I misunderstood, the intent was to INSURE you stopped the person. You describe it in whatever way makes you feel better but shooting in the center mass is going to stop them morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely, undeniably and reliably dead. I was taught to aim for center of mass and shoot until the threat was stopped. That may be one shot (as with GZ) or it may be several (as I’ve said I probably would have done in his spot.) But even with a .40S&W and hollow points, unless you hit the heart or CNS, death isn’t guaranteed. Hell, even if you _do_ hit the heart, death isn’t guaranteed (see Trace Adkins.) How many times was 50 Cent shot? (And, realistically, I’m pretty sure the instructor’s point was that, if it came down to it, what we needed to tell the police and jury is “I shot to stop the threat” rather than “I shot to kill.”) ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/88 "2013-07-13T21:18:39Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > The responses in this thread are an eye opener. I was at first upset with Moore for not giving me fair warning as I clicked the link, but in hindsight, I would not have opened it if I was warned. so I saw it, and now what to do? Brush it off until the next kid gets killed? Make jokes because death is just something that happens? well the problem here is that it’s not about a kid that got killed. Read the Sunday addition of any Chicago Newspaper and count them if you have the time and a calculator. This is about a black kid shot by a white/Hispanic/fill-in-the-blank man. Otherwise it would be business as usual. > [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Treyvon was just a kid. A kid who had every right to live and breathe in this world as I do. Even if he were a menace which I am not at all convinced he was, there’s got to be a better way to deal with it than hiding behind a dumb law. While it’s true that Trayvon was a kid that does not excuse him from his actions. He wasn’t a 12 year old on his way to Disney and this wasn’t a fight. It was an assault. It appears from the evidence that he started it. It might have happened another way but that’s what the evidence shows. Had Zimmerman NOT had a gun on him then there would be no struggle for it and Zimmerman would probably have survived long enough for Martin to be arrested and put away. But that’s not what happened. He had the legal right to shoot Martin after the punch in the nose. That didn’t happen. What we’re left with is a beating that lasted well over 38 seconds. There is no evidence that justifies Martin’s actions. There IS evidence that justifies Zimmerman’s actions. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/89 "2013-07-13T21:39:44Z")
I suspect the photo is a fake. No blood anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/90 "2013-07-13T21:43:04Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > (And, realistically, I’m pretty sure the instructor’s point was that, if it came down to it, what we needed to tell the police and jury is “I shot to stop the threat” rather than “I shot to kill.”) This is how I took the instructions. I suspect the gunshot surprised Zimmerman more than anyone can imagine. He SHOULD have grouped a couple of more shots as a matter of training. Realistically, there isn’t enough time to take an assessment after each round and rote training should have caused more rounds. but having a gun go off point blank without hearing protection is going to startle a person. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/91 "2013-07-13T21:43:40Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I suspect the photo is a fake. No blood anywhere. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/92 "2013-07-13T21:50:56Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > I see what you did there. well I thought that too but seriously, where’s the blood? We know by the coroner’s report that his heart kept beating and the police did CPR on him. Shouldn’t that have made a large stain on his clothes? ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/93 "2013-07-13T22:14:25Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > ETA: post directed at miss elizabeth. > > Well, I don’t think anyone has the right to say what’s funny and what isn’t for someone else. What’s funny to me may not be funny to you. And what’s funny to me can also be a tragedy to me. > > I do think though, that this case is bringing out a lot of interesting sides of people. Not the jokes, but the straight up serious things I have heard from people about this case is eye opening. I love how some of the most venomous things are often quickly followed by, “I have NO emotional involvement in this case at ALL though. Ya gotta believe me. I am as casual on this topic as a Friday afternoon in a call center!” Ha, ok, guys. You’re right, and some people make jokes in a “whistling past the graveyard” way. I am just so sad and disgusted and disappointed about this case. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/94 "2013-07-13T22:47:04Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > well I thought that too but seriously, where’s the blood? We know by the coroner’s report that his heart kept beating and the police did CPR on him. Shouldn’t that have made a large stain on his clothes? Dude, gravity. Blood doesn’t flow upward, and unless the entry wound was gaping any bleed out from the heart would have been contained in the chest cavity when the body was face down. TV and movies take a huge amount of artistic license with regard to wounds and blood flow. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/95 "2013-07-13T23:25:48Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I suspect the photo is a fake. No blood anywhere. Then there’s the pixels. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/96 "2013-07-13T23:48:52Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > well I thought that too but seriously, where’s the blood? We know by the coroner’s report that his heart kept beating and the police did CPR on him. Shouldn’t that have made a large stain on his clothes? Notice that you can’t see the bullet hole? It’s under the photo button, that’s why. Let’s hope the jury has the neurons to see the importance of this detail. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/97 "2013-07-13T23:54:44Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Notice that you can’t see the bullet hole? It’s under the photo button, that’s why. > > Let’s hope the jury has the neurons to see the importance of this detail. Why is that important to the jury? ETA: Apologies if my neurons are lacking. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/98 "2013-07-14T00:01:43Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > You’re right, and some people make jokes in a “whistling past the graveyard” way. I am just so sad and disgusted and disappointed about this case. I am sickened by this thread, frankly. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/99 "2013-07-14T00:05:08Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Why is that important to the jury? If you’re in the middle of a fight with someone what is the odds that you will deliver a perfect front-to-back shot, square into the heart, in an area that is blocked by a photo button? The odds are damn nill. It is evidence that Zimmerman went out of his way to take the kid’s life, not save his own. In other news, the jury paused its deliberations this afternoon to ask the judge a question about manslaughter. > **[Zimmerman jury reaches a verdict](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-jury-saturday-deliberations/2514233/)** > > Jury can acquit Zimmerman or convict him of second-degree murder or manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/100 "2013-07-14T00:11:39Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > It is evidence that Zimmerman went out of his way to take the kid’s life, not save his own. > ] Yeah, well, that’s like…your opinion, man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=6)