# Michael Moore just posted a picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367 "2013-07-12T22:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/101 "2013-07-14T00:51:54Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > You’re right, and some people make jokes in a “whistling past the graveyard” way. I am just so sad and disgusted and disappointed about this case. Well, I’m just glad there are people like you around to still be sad and disgusted and disappointed by these things. Shit, many of us are just jaded, hardened and numb. ---
**Author:** ![Schism](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@Schism](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schism)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/102 "2013-07-14T07:48:19Z")
That picture is the saddest goddamn thing I’ve seen in a while. Regardless of who was at fault (and really a moot point now). My takeaway from this whole thing is how people tend to forget/ignore the reality that seemingly insignificant decisions we make can cascade into a tragedy in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/103 "2013-07-14T11:45:16Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > If you’re in the middle of a fight with someone what is the odds that you will deliver a perfect front-to-back shot, square into the heart, in an area that is blocked by a photo button? The odds are damn nill. > > It is evidence that Zimmerman went out of his way to take the kid’s life, not save his own. Is that important, legally, considering the amount of freedom the law seems to give you to shoot people? Do you think if he had time to aim that well, he could have just aimed for a leg or something? Or are you just seeing a cold blooded murder here? ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/104 "2013-07-14T11:47:47Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > I am sickened by this thread, frankly. To you, and others who have said similar things, what is sickening about this thread? ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/105 "2013-07-14T13:13:06Z")
MM have never been anything but a propagandist-his “documentaries” are mendacious and warped. So I ask, exactly why did he post this picture? It wasn’t because he has a burning desire for truth. So I give anything he says very little if any credibility.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/106 "2013-07-14T13:19:19Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > When Emmett Till was brutally murdered by white people, Ms. Mobley (his mother) did something extraordinary: she insisted that there be an open casket. She wanted the world to see how the U.S treats their own citizens. There are many people who support Zimmerman who wish to take the emotional element of it, because inevitably, having a bloodless corpse next to a Wal-Mart plastic bag shows _exactly_ what white people think of blacks in this country: we’re trash. There were no ambulances called, no CPR by Zimmerman or Manalo, they left him dead or dying - didn’t even try to save his life - like some ran-over roadkill. It’s indicative of how I think people view blacks in this country: we’re non-human animals to them. > > With that said, while I hope Mr. Moore obtained the family’s permission, I do support posting the pictures (if the family supports it). His bloodless corpse should showed side-by-side with Emmett Till’s corpse to every black boy and girl so they know precisely the world we live in. In superscript, the following words ought to be placed on the picture: “Malcolm X was right, Martin Luther King was wrong, don’t believe the hype because we have a black President and a black Attorney General.” > > - Honesty > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > I don’t agree with Honesty’s original point, and I see that he has backed off it, realizing that he probably was posting out of emotion. > > However, I don’t think this post is half as cute as you probably think it is. Honesty’s point, albeit invalid, was racism, so exploiting the fucked up tragedy of the poor and disenfranchised in Detroit and Chicago to make a point that doesn’t address racism is just total bullshit. I usually respect your opinion but I don’t know if I understand you this time. The poster is using this issue to show “exactly what whites think of blacks in this country.” Apparently white people are roaming around killing blacks and leaving them on the ground like trash. Leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman is white/Latin/black/Indian and doesn’t fit the narrative, I was just trying to point out the racism by giving a real world example. Anyone with their eyes open knows that a black man in this country is much more likely to meet a violent end at the hands of another black man than from anyone else. And they dont exactly stop and perform CPR in those cases either. The area I work in gives me plenty of real world examples but I chose to go with Chicago. Maybe I shouldn’t have used sarcasm and said it straight out instead. I think to turn this case into an example of “What’s wrong with this country” is just playing into the media hype and frenzy. I think turning this case into “what’s wrong with black people” or “what’s wrong with white people” is just plain racism. > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > ETA: post directed at miss elizabeth. > > Well, I don’t think anyone has the right to say what’s funny and what isn’t for someone else. What’s funny to me may not be funny to you. And what’s funny to me can also be a tragedy to me. > > I do think though, that this case is bringing out a lot of interesting sides of people. Not the jokes, but the straight up serious things I have heard from people about this case is eye opening. I love how some of the most venomous things are often quickly followed by, “I have NO emotional involvement in this case at ALL though. Ya gotta believe me. I am as casual on this topic as a Friday afternoon in a call center!” Ha, ok, guys. I agree 100%. I will say that I am looking at this with no emotional involvement. I deal with way too many rough cases in my own life to get emotionally involved with strangers on TV. I don’t think I said anything venomous. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/107 "2013-07-14T15:16:57Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I didn’t watch the part in O’Mara’s closing where he showed the jury this picture. Can someone tell me the context? I’m just not getting why he thought this image would help his client. I’m pretty sure the persecution introduced the picture into evidence and presented it to the jury first. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/108 "2013-07-14T15:24:09Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > However, I don’t think this post is half as cute as you probably think it is. Honesty’s point, albeit invalid, was racism, so exploiting the fucked up tragedy of the poor and disenfranchised in Detroit and Chicago to make a point that doesn’t address racism is just total bullshit. Racism? It exists, true. But I’d be more apt to blame issues of class. A lot of the poor and disenfranchised in Detroit and Chicago are being exploited by Black politicians/leaders. Two little boys shot in Chicago during the trial and scarcely a peep. Where’s the rage over seventy some shootings and the (questionable count) deaths there over the Fourth holiday alone? Everyone was too busy obsessing over this trial. Rahm Emmanuel gave a local neighborhood group called Ceasefire a million dollars to help prevent crime. That didn’t seem to help much and no one has accounted for where the money went. The Black leadership of Detroit takes lavish vacations and still has a blacksmith on their payroll. Where’s their concern for their poor and disenfranchised? In my opinion I’d rather see Holder, Rahm and Obama foaming at the mouth to deal with cities with corrupt politicians and held hostage by gang rule. Exploiting the poor (uneducated) is an equal opportunity pastime. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/109 "2013-07-14T15:30:29Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Racism? It exists, true. But I’d be more apt to blame issues of class. Yes. It’s not the color of skin, so much as it is the color of money. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/110 "2013-07-14T16:20:13Z")
Another issue of class as it relates to this case which I don’t think we have discussed is that idea of Trayvon walking in the rain in a neighborhood which people didn’t relate to as his. In middleclass neighborhoods this would immediately be seen as suspicious behavior. We tend to notice when people we don’t recognize are cutting through our yards or lingering around. It seemed to me that for a lot of the Black people who were defending Trayvon this was not a similar value. They didn’t seem to understand the issue or take it into consideration. I don’t live in a gated community but I would guess that it is even more so there. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/111 "2013-07-14T16:40:30Z")
I’ve seen no indication that Trayvon wasn’t solidly middle class. His mother is a college-educated government employee and his older brother is at university. His father was living with his fiancee in the very same community that Zimmerman lived in. Trayvon was involved in little league sports a few years ago and was taking at least one AP class. By all indications, the kid would have not been out of sorts in this community. So I don’t think class has much to do with this case at all. Where does the idea come from that he was cutting into people’s yards? AFAIK, Zimmerman never claimed this. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/112 "2013-07-14T18:34:37Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > Another issue of class as it relates to this case which I don’t think we have discussed is that idea of Trayvon walking in the rain in a neighborhood which people didn’t relate to as his. > > In middleclass neighborhoods this would immediately be seen as suspicious behavior. We tend to notice when people we don’t recognize are cutting through our yards or lingering around. > > It seemed to me that for a lot of the Black people who were defending Trayvon this was not a similar value. They didn’t seem to understand the issue or take it into consideration. > > I don’t live in a gated community but I would guess that it is even more so there. Rain again, huh? I guess some people grasp at anything to help support gzs claim of suspicious. What the hell is the big deal about rain? Some of you are eithrr desperate to prop up gzs claim, or youve lived very sheltered lives. As a teen, once I got in tenth grade I had to walk home, sometimes in the rain…Many other people do this, its not a big deal. This may come as a shock but some people enjoy the rain, I have always enjoyed the rain and if its raining out, I enjoy walking in it. Thats why there are coats with hoods and stuff like that, because sometimes people walk in the rain. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/113 "2013-07-14T19:20:38Z")
> [@Tollhouse](#): > > Rain again, huh? I guess some people grasp at anything to help support gzs claim of suspicious. What the hell is the big deal about rain? Some of you are eithrr desperate to prop up gzs claim, or youve lived very sheltered lives. As a teen, once I got in tenth grade I had to walk home, sometimes in the rain…Many other people do this, its not a big deal. This may come as a shock but some people enjoy the rain, I have always enjoyed the rain and if its raining out, I enjoy walking in it. Thats why there are coats with hoods and stuff like that, because sometimes people walk in the rain. Irrelevant. Would it be seen by a reasonable person to be unusual/suspicious _in the neighborhood in question_? ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/114 "2013-07-14T20:54:03Z")
Unless they are aliens from mars, there is nothing suspicious or criminal about it. I was raised all my life in an affluent neighborhood that was compared to most areas, sheltered. Yet I walked home as a teen many times in the rain, and even as an adult a few times when i just wanted to because I enjoy the rain. I was not an anomaly, there were plenty of other people who did as well. Im starting to wonder by the ludicrous nature of that whole " rain is suspicious " thing, it makes me wonder if those saying it are not really serious, they know damn well there is nothing odd or suspiciois about it and are just using it to prop up gzs fake story. ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/115 "2013-07-14T20:58:27Z")
If it had been windy that day, these same people would say"it was suspicious he walked on such a blustery day. Only Winnie the Pooh walks on a blustery day. Or if it had been a hot summer day…well you know, as the story goes. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/116 "2013-07-14T21:34:57Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Irrelevant. > > Would it be seen by a reasonable person to be unusual/suspicious _in the neighborhood in question_? Do you have a cite for this “neighborhood” standard that is legally relevant? Detective Serino of Sanford PD testified that that there would be no cause to suspect Martin’s behavior as described by Zimmerman, and that it could be seen as profiling. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/117 "2013-07-14T21:38:59Z")
Obama’s FBI already answered the profiling question. Time to find another cause. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/118 "2013-07-14T21:42:33Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Obama’s FBI already answered the profiling question. > > Time to find another cause. In other words, you haven’t got a relevant cite for your assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/119 "2013-07-14T21:48:58Z")
I’m not saying Trayvon wasn’t middle-class. They didn’t know I’m saying that the neighborhood didn’t recognize him as a neighbor and therefor his lingering, especially out in the rain and after they had had some theft problems, made him more susceptible to suspicion. And don’t you dare be silly about me being sheltered because I don’t hang out in the rain, kid, or I’ll tell you a few biographical tales that will give you goosebumps. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/120 "2013-07-14T21:50:39Z")
> [@camille](#): > > In other words, you haven’t got a relevant cite for your assertion. So, let me see if I’ve got this straight… Behavior that is seen in one neighborhood, say…IDK…Florence and Normandie in L.A., as normal should be considered the universal standard for normality in every neighborhood in America? Aight. Cool. But hey…whatever fits the narrative and corroborates what you think, believe, or feel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=7)