# Michael Moore just posted a picture of Trayvon Martin's dead body **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 12, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367 "2013-07-12T22:58:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/121 "2013-07-14T21:52:14Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > I’m not saying Trayvon wasn’t middle-class. They didn’t know > > I’m saying that the neighborhood didn’t recognize him as a neighbor and therefor his lingering, especially out in the rain and after they had had some theft problems, made him more susceptible to suspicion. > > And don’t you dare be silly about me being sheltered because I don’t hang out in the rain, kid, or I’ll tell you a few biographical tales that will give you goosebumps. 😛 And those theft problems you speak of…isn’t there some factual evidence as to who committed them? I think there is! And I think I know what they looked like! ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/122 "2013-07-14T22:08:02Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > So, let me see if I’ve got this straight… > > Behavior that is seen in one neighborhood, say…IDK…Florence and Normandie in L.A., as normal should be considered the universal standard for normality in every neighborhood in America? > > Aight. Cool. > > But hey…whatever fits the narrative and corroborates what you think, believe, or feel. I cited testimony from a local law enforcement officer regarding what constitutes suspicious behavior in that neighborhood. You had made an assertion that suggested otherwise, and I am still waiting for a cite. Or are you conceding that your assertion was based on your own thinking, beliefs, or feelings? ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/123 "2013-07-14T22:15:22Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I cited testimony from a local law enforcement officer regarding what constitutes suspicious behavior in that neighborhood. You had made an assertion that suggested otherwise, and I am still waiting for a cite. Or are you conceding that your assertion was based on your own thinking, beliefs, or feelings? Your testimony from the local LEO reflects his thinking, beliefs, or feelings. He doesn’t think a kid looking into houses in that neighborhood is suspicious. And I guess since kids had been breaking in to those houses, it probably wasn’t suspicious. But, obviously at least one person–you know, who actually lived in the neighborhood–thought it was. But he’s a big fat lying liar McLiarpants, right? Zimmerman is on the record, on the night in question, recorded by the police, as saying the guy “looks like he’s on drugs or something.” Even though the jurors didn’t hear it, it turns out po’ lil’ innocent Trayvon, with his watermelon drank and his skittles, did, in fact, have drugs in his system. Since Zimmerman was right, I think I’ll be going with him on his belief that the guy looked suspicious. But again, keep fighting the lost battle… ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/124 "2013-07-14T22:21:54Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Your testimony from the local LEO reflects his thinking, beliefs, or feelings. > > He doesn’t think a kid looking into houses in that neighborhood is suspicious. And I guess since kids had been breaking in to those houses, it probably wasn’t suspicious. > > But, obviously at least one person–you know, who actually lived in the neighborhood–thought it was. But he’s a big fat lying liar McLiarpants, right? > > Zimmerman is on the record, on the night in question, recorded by the police, as saying the guy “looks like he’s on drugs or something.” > > Even though the jurors didn’t hear it, it turns out po’ lil’ innocent Trayvon, with his watermelon drank and his skittles, did, in fact, have drugs in his system. > > Since Zimmerman was right, I think I’ll be going with him on his belief that the guy looked suspicious. > > But again, keep fighting the lost battle… Blah, blah, blah. Why can’t you just admit you don’t have a legally relevant cite for your assertion? You dismissed someone’s opinion as irrelevant with that assertion, but it turns out to be just as irrelevant, since it is only _your_ opinion, and nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![NonaSequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@NonaSequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NonaSequitur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/125 "2013-07-14T22:22:02Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Your testimony from the local LEO reflects his thinking, beliefs, or feelings. > > He doesn’t think a kid looking into houses in that neighborhood is suspicious. And I guess since kids had been breaking in to those houses, it probably wasn’t suspicious. > > But, obviously at least one person–you know, who actually lived in the neighborhood–thought it was. But he’s a big fat lying liar McLiarpants, right? > > Zimmerman is on the record, on the night in question, recorded by the police, as saying the guy “looks like he’s on drugs or something.” > > Even though the jurors didn’t hear it, it turns out po’ lil’ innocent Trayvon, with his watermelon drank and his skittles, did, in fact, have drugs in his system. > > Since Zimmerman was right, I think I’ll be going with him on his belief that the guy looked suspicious. > > But again, keep fighting the lost battle… What interesting word choice. ---
**Author:** ![NonaSequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@NonaSequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NonaSequitur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/126 "2013-07-14T22:26:29Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Blah, blah, blah. Why can’t you just admit you don’t have a legally relevant cite for your assertion? You dismissed someone’s opinion as irrelevant with that assertion, but it turns out to be just as irrelevant, since it is only _your_ opinion, and nothing more. It really doesn’t matter. We know where someone who uses the words “po’ lil’ innocent Trayvon” and “watermelon drank” is coming from. No amount of debating the minutiae around this case will change his mind. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/127 "2013-07-14T22:41:36Z")
> [@NonaSequitur](#): > > It really doesn’t matter. We know where someone who uses the words “po’ lil’ innocent Trayvon” and “watermelon drank” is coming from. No amount of debating the minutiae around this case will change his mind. I never used those words, or said any of the other things **Blake Tyner** is going on about. I only asked for a legally relevant cite about what constitutes suspicious behavior in a particular neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![NonaSequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@NonaSequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NonaSequitur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/128 "2013-07-14T22:52:38Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I never used those words, or said any of the other things **Blake Tyner** is going on about. I only asked for a legally relevant cite about what constitutes suspicious behavior in a particular neighborhood. I didn’t say you used those words. I was referring to Blake Tyner. ---
**Author:** ![NonaSequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@NonaSequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NonaSequitur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/129 "2013-07-14T22:57:17Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I never used those words, or said any of the other things **Blake Tyner** is going on about. I only asked for a legally relevant cite about what constitutes suspicious behavior in a particular neighborhood. Let’s be real, what constitutes suspicious behavior in the eyes of many is possession of a Y chromosome and dark skin. I wish it were not so in 2013. But, sadly, it’s still the reality in this country. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/130 "2013-07-14T23:06:45Z")
No winners or losers in this case, I think. But what it has shown me so far is that perhaps we are much closer to that discussion about our racial issues than I thought. Everybody seems to have a lot to say. ---
**Author:** ![NonaSequitur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f1d935/32.png) [@NonaSequitur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NonaSequitur)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/131 "2013-07-14T23:14:02Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > No winners or losers in this case, I think. > > But what it has shown me so far is that perhaps we are much closer to that discussion about our racial issues than I thought. > > Everybody seems to have a lot to say. For it to be a productive discussion, we should all brush up on our American History (as well as American Present). Unfortunately, not all of us are coming from the same knowledge base. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/132 "2013-07-14T23:16:40Z")
> [@NonaSequitur](#): > > For it to be a productive discussion, we should all brush up on our American History (as well as American Present). Unfortunately, not all of us are coming from the same knowledge base. That makes sense. I would suggest a compare and contrast technique. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/133 "2013-07-14T23:31:45Z")
> [@NonaSequitur](#): > > I didn’t say you used those words. I was referring to Blake Tyner. Okay, got it now. I didn’t bother reading his little screed all the way through, since it was obviously a strawman argument. > [@NonaSequitur](#): > > Let’s be real, what constitutes suspicious behavior in the eyes of many is possession of a Y chromosome and dark skin. I wish it were not so in 2013. But, sadly, it’s still the reality in this country. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/134 "2013-07-14T23:34:00Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > No winners or losers in this case, I think. > > But what it has shown me so far is that perhaps we are much closer to that discussion about our racial issues than I thought. > > Everybody seems to have a lot to say. No losers in this case? ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/135 "2013-07-14T23:37:23Z")
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**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/136 "2013-07-14T23:42:46Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Yeah, I have to agree with these responses. By ascribing a mindset to all white people, you’re coming off just as racist as those (real and imagined) you’re condemning. “.._.coming off as_..”??? How about “…you ARE…”??? ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/137 "2013-07-15T00:08:42Z")
> [@camille](#): > > No losers in this case? Note to self: Think before speaking :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Tollhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@Tollhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tollhouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/138 "2013-07-15T00:14:50Z")
> [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > I’m not saying Trayvon wasn’t middle-class. They didn’t know > > I’m saying that the neighborhood didn’t recognize him as a neighbor and therefor his lingering, especially out in the rain and after they had had some theft problems, made him more susceptible to suspicion. > > And don’t you dare be silly about me being sheltered because I don’t hang out in the rain, kid, or I’ll tell you a few biographical tales that will give you goosebumps. 😛 Precipitation- when drops of water fall down to earth Umbrella- something that some people buy for when they have to walk in rain, oftentimes teenagers are ‘too cool’ to want to carry one Raincoat- a garment worn when one has to walk outside Pedestrian- a person who walks ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/139 "2013-07-15T02:35:05Z")
> [@camille](#): > > No losers in this case? For crying out loud. :smack: Brain stopped; fingers typed on. ---
**Author:** ![Isilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/cc9497/32.png) [@Isilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isilder)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367/140 "2013-07-15T04:46:49Z")
Zimmerman suffered two black eyes, a fractured nose, two lacerations on his head, and a minor back injury People are forgetting that Zimmerman was being beat up… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-just-posted-a-picture-of-trayvon-martins-dead-body/663367.md?page=8)