# Michael Moore = Liar. Why? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2004, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240 "2004-06-14T04:15:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/221 "2004-06-23T11:02:59Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > For his unscrupulous and mindless defense of Michael Moore, ignoring withering logic and at times, leaving behind common sense, I hereby present you with the Michael Moore Doughnut of Freedom. Be proud of yourself! You earned it. :rolleyes: I’ve made a valid point. Shall I take it you don’t have a response? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/222 "2004-06-23T11:03:09Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Even the movie’s promos are lying. They say the movie isn’t yet rated. It is in fact rated R, but they are trying to get it changed to PG-13. I just read their appeal was denied and Moore is encouraging minors to sneak in and see it anyway. Yep, dead babies being thrown on a pile of bodies and a beheading, just the thing for tender young eyes to see…in Moore’s view. By the way, there’s an excellent article and exposition on Moore and his film on Slate’s website. I don’t know the coding thing so I’ll just post the URL: [http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723](http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723) My apologies if someone has posted it already. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/223 "2004-06-23T11:37:29Z")
Also the fat boy seems to be cosying up with terrorists. > [@](#): > > “The company distributing filmmaker Michael Moore’s Bush-bashing movie “Fahrenheit 9/11” says it won’t reject an offer of help from Middle East terrorist organization Hezbollah [guilty of at least 300 american deaths, including 200 marines in the Lebanon blast - the mother of all suicide bombs].” [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=39079](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39079) [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE\_ID=39012](http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39012) Apparently he has also vowed to sue anybody that might voice an unfavourable opinion of him of his docu-soap. How could anybody say a bad word about Moore??? I’m sure he’s kind to old ladies and never kicked his mother… [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=10&u=/afp/20040620/ts\_afp/us\_cinema\_vote\_moore\_040620220325](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1504&ncid=1504&e=10&u=/afp/20040620/ts_afp/us_cinema_vote_moore_040620220325) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/224 "2004-06-23T12:03:08Z")
world net daily? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/225 "2004-06-23T12:18:41Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Also the fat boy seems to be cosying up with terrorists. I’m not surprised. He appears to be a man totally without scruples. > [@Rune](#): > > Apparently he has also vowed to sue anybody that might voice an unfavourable opinion of him of his docu-soap. A true American with true American values fighting for right and justice…and censorship! ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/226 "2004-06-23T12:25:49Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’m not surprised. He appears to be a man totally without scruples. A true American with true American values fighting for right and justice…and censorship! No, he vowed to sue anyone who slanders or libels him or his movie. All the people claimin g his movies delebirately lied better have their facts straight. I still have to find what organisations these are theat are “linked to Hezbollah”, and aren’t Hezbollah themselves. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/227 "2004-06-23T12:30:02Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > Apparently he has also vowed to sue anybody that might voice an unfavourable opinion of him of his docu-soap. I love it when the Moore-bashers distort things in the way they claim to hate: > [@](#): > > Moore senses a conservative backlash and threatened to haul into court **anyone who libels him**. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/228 "2004-06-23T12:47:04Z")
I am somewhat amazed that this debate has gone on for so long. **Dewey Cheatum Undhow** posted a link, waaaay back on page one of this thread, that makes it pretty clear that Moore will distort the truth when it suits his purposes. I would encourage folks to read that information. It contrasts Moore’s account of police intervention at a meeting/book signing of his with the observations of a Moore fan who was at the event. Suffice it to say, Moore’s account was considerably slanted when compared to the fan’s view of the events. Does this make him a liar? In my opinion, yes. In his account (which Moore subsequently removed from his Web site), he used inflammatory and highly charged language to describe what was apparently a fairly innocuous request by the police. He deliberately distorted the facts to support his viewpoint. To me, that’s lying. Moore’s tactics are no different than those of the Bush administration or Rush Limbaugh. It’s interesting, though, to see how the battle lines are drawn when a liar who agrees with one’s own political ideology is being roasted. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/229 "2004-06-23T13:00:16Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > :rolleyes: > > I’ve made a valid point. Shall I take it you don’t have a response? No, you haven’t made a point, you fucking madman. Stop and read what you are reading. You are defending Moore’s decision to _not_ go public with _proof_ of abuse at AG, months before it was revealed to the public. You give a nod to his decision, on the stupid and incorrect belief that a journalist would sit on a breaking story _for several fucking months_, so they could pimp it in a movie. Gimme a cite where a journalist sat on a hot exclusive story for _months_. And if Moore is sooo concerned about what was going on, why didn’t he do something about it (the number of options to him were numerous) when it would have made a difference? Moore is a hypocrite, and you are a fucking tool for mindlessly defending him. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/230 "2004-06-23T13:13:12Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > No, you haven’t made a point, you fucking madman. Stop and read what you are reading. You are defending Moore’s decision to _not_ go public with _proof_ of abuse at AG, months before it was revealed to the public. You give a nod to his decision, on the stupid and incorrect belief that a journalist would sit on a breaking story _for several fucking months_, so they could pimp it in a movie. No. What I said was a journalist may sit on the story until they have the most appropriate and most effective outlet to achieve maximum effect and impact. Moore applied the same logic, and given that he was _already making a film_, wasn’t the film the obvious outlet? He has himself stated that he was in a catch-22: go public, and be criticised for hyping his own film, or stay quiet and put himself in a potentially problematic moral position. Or do you really think that, had he gone public early, he _wouldn’t_ have been criticised? Hell, _bowlingfortruth_ would probably feature an interview with an Iraqi who was held prisoner and wasn’t abused therefore no abuse really took place and Moore used distorting camera angles and blah blah… ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/231 "2004-06-23T13:22:22Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > He has himself stated that he was in a catch-22: go public, and be criticised for hyping his own film, or stay quiet and put himself in a potentially problematic moral position. Or do you really think that, had he gone public early, he _wouldn’t_ have been criticised? Since Moore might have been criticised, an experience he is completely unused to, he should have sat on the rather timely story for months. Right. Gotcha. Afterall, if he believed that inappropriate behavior was going on at AG, and he has a tape in his hot little hands that purports to prove that, he should wait. For months. Yep. I reiterate: Moore is a moron, and you are tool for defending him, _especially_ for defending him on this matter. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/232 "2004-06-23T13:38:59Z")
If the other photos of abuse hadn’t surfaced, would you still be using the same argument? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/233 "2004-06-23T13:51:08Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > He has himself stated that he was in a catch-22: go public, and be criticised for hyping his own film, or stay quiet and put himself in a potentially problematic moral position. If you don’t mind, I’m going to suggest a different twist to your catch-22 go public, be criticised for hyping his own film, _and help end the torture and sexual abuse of prisoners_ or stay quiet, keep the footage for his own film, _and allow the torture and abuse to continue for months until his film comes out_. Don’t seem much like a catch-22 to me, if one gives a crap about ending torture, that is. Take out the whole “ending torture” bit, and it becomes quite the dilemma. ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/234 "2004-06-23T13:54:16Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Don’t seem much like a catch-22 to me, if one gives a crap about ending torture, that is. Take out the whole “ending torture” bit, and it becomes quite the dilemma. End the specific torture in question? Or try to achieve his stated aim, helping to bring down the Bush admin, and contribute to the end of all the ongoing mostly-unreported abuses and torture in Iraq, Guantanamo, Afghanistan, and wherever gets invaded next? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/235 "2004-06-23T13:56:21Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > If you don’t mind, I’m going to suggest a different twist to your catch-22 > > go public, be criticised for hyping his own film, _and help end the torture and sexual abuse of prisoners_ or stay quiet, keep the footage for his own film, _and allow the torture and abuse to continue for months until his film comes out_. > > Don’t seem much like a catch-22 to me, if one gives a crap about ending torture, that is. Take out the whole “ending torture” bit, and it becomes quite the dilemma. Do you think Moore’s observation would have ended the torture? The Red Cross had made several official complaints, which should have ended the torture. What was the timing of Moore’s acquisition of the video and the first of the several official internal investigations, which also should have ended the torture? It wasn’t that Moore had personally and singularly found something out. I am glad to see, however, conservatives coming out in favor of releasing the video tape and photographic evidence, rather than castigating those who have done so as unpatriotic and as placing our troops in harm’s way. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/236 "2004-06-23T18:29:03Z")
Here’s the funny thing about all you folks nipping away at Moore’s fat, bulbous heels… [list=a] [li]There’s a very good chance F9/11 will become the highest grossing documentary of all time.[/li][li]There’s a very good chance F9/11 will influence some people to vote Bush out.[/li][li]There’s a very good chance idiots bitching about it, people like **Lib** , **Rune** , **Starving** , **Brutus** , etc., are actually increasing the likehood of (a) and (b).[/li][/list]The irony is delightful. And Moore will be laughing all the way to the bank. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/237 "2004-06-23T18:45:16Z")
A picture is worth a thousand words. Photographic proof of abuse and torture gets attention, as we’ve found out. This attention could have been brought earlier and potentially brought about an earlier end to it. The red cross can jump up and down without people worrying about it, put a few pictures in the papers and on TV, you get some action. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/238 "2004-06-23T18:45:49Z")
Since _Al Qaeda_ has [endorsed George W. Bush for re-election](http://worldonfire.typepad.com/world_on_fire/2004/04/bush_endorsed_b.html) in 2004, will **Rune** be protesting the President any time soon? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/239 "2004-06-23T20:05:25Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Since _Al Qaeda_ has [endorsed George W. Bush for re-election](http://worldonfire.typepad.com/world_on_fire/2004/04/bush_endorsed_b.html) in 2004, will **Rune** be protesting the President any time soon? Damnation, what an idiot you are. Did you actually read the opinion piece the weird communist you cited linked from the Daily Times? It doesn’t say that Al-Qaeda endorsed Bush. It is an analysis of whether, in the writer’s opinion, the terrorists will be happier if Kerry wins or Bush wins. It’s not a statement of any kind from Al-Qaeda. ---
**Author:** ![sleeping](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@sleeping](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleeping)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240/240 "2004-06-23T22:29:42Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Better tell [**sleeping,**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=4994081&postcount=204) who apparently missed this in both Great debates and the BBQ Pit. Though to be fair, he was merely quoting Spinsanity, who also made the same mistake. Obviously we’d have to make sure that that site is trustworthy, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt: Spinsanity was in error when it agreed with Forbes. Still, the main issue is whether Moore is a liar and you have conspicuously failed to acknowledge all the other points made about him. I’ll name some of them so they aren’t ignored this time around: > [@](#): > > [**Deliberately altering an ad by the Bush/Quayle campaign**] > Much more mendaciously, Moore has apparently altered footage of an ad run by the Bush/Quayle campaign in 1988 to implicate Bush in the Willie Horton scandal. Making a point about the use of racial symbols to scare the American public, he shows the Bush/Quayle ad called “Revolving Doors,” which attacked Michael Dukakis for a Massachusetts prison furlough program by showing prisoners entering and exiting a prison (the original ad can be seen here [Real Player video]). Superimposed over the footage of the prisoners is the text “Willie Horton released. Then kills again.” This caption is displayed as if it is part of the original ad. However, existing footage, media reports and the recollections of several high-level people involved in the campaign indicate that the “Revolving Doors” ad did not explicitly mention Horton, unlike the notorious ad run by the National Security Political Action Committee (which had close ties to Bush media advisor Roger Ailes). In addition, the caption is incorrect – Horton did not kill anyone while on prison furlough (he raped a woman). > [@](#): > > [**False claims regarding U.S. aid to the Taliban**] > Although he uses statistics much less frequently in “Bowling for Columbine” than in Stupid White Men, Moore still manages to present at least one figure inaccurately. During a stylized overview of US foreign policy, he claims that the U.S. gave $245 million in aid to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan in 2000 and 2001. The Taliban aid tale is a favorite of Moore’s that he has repeated in numerous media appearances over the past year. Contrary to his claim, the aid did not go to the Taliban – it actually consisted of food and food security programs administered by the United Nations and non-governmental organizations to relieve an impending famine. > [@](#): > > [\*\*False Claims About Bush’s Campaign Funds \*\*] > Consider, for instance, his claim that “two-thirds of [the over $190 million President Bush raised during the presidential campaign] came from just over seven hundred individuals.” Given the $2,000 federal limit on individual donations, this claim is obviously false. To back it up, he cites the Center for Responsive Politics Web site ([opensecrets.org](http://opensecrets.org)) and an August 2000 article from the New York Times. As [opensecrets.org](http://opensecrets.org) clearly indicates, however, only 52.6 percent of Bush’s total $193 million in campaign funds came from individuals. The Times article Moore references actually states that 739 people gave two-thirds of the soft money raised by the Republican Party (which uses its money for “party-building” activities that support all GOP candidates, not just Bush) in the 2000 election cycle as of June of that year. Whether out of malice or laziness, Moore conflates the party’s soft money with Bush’s campaign funds. > [@](#): > > [**False Claims About Pentagon Spending**] > In a discussion of Pentagon spending, he refers to the “$250 billion the Pentagon plans to spend in 2001 to build 2800 new Joint Strike Fighter planes” and states that “the proposed increase in monies for the Pentagon over the next four years is $1.6 trillion.” To back this up, he refers to the Web site of the peace activist group Council for a Livable World. CLW’s own analysis of the 2001 budget, however, shows that $250 billion is the total multiyear cost of the Joint Strike Fighter program, not the amount spent in one year. $1.6 trillion, meanwhile, was the total amount of money requested by the Pentagon at the time for 2001-2005. It covers five years, not four, and is a total budget request, not a “proposed increase” over previously requested budget levels. It shouldn’t even take this much research, however, to determine that out of the total defense budget request of $305.4 billion in 2001, $250 billion was never intended to go toward one type of plane, nor that an increase of $400 billion per year in military spending was never proposed. > [@](#): > > [\*\*False Claims About the Terrorist Information Awareness Project \*\*] > Moore’s penchant for conspiracy theories often leads him to stretch the facts or make laughable claims. Bashing the proposed Terrorist Information Awareness project, he writes that “There is usually very little in the way of an electronic or paper trail when it comes to terrorists. They lay low and pay cash. You and me, we leave trails everywhere - credit cards, cell phones, medical records, online; everything we do. Who is really being watched here?”(page 110, his italics) In Moore’s fervor to indict the TIA system, he forgets about the credit cards used by the 9-11 hijackers, which were used to help retrace their steps. > [@](#): > > [\*\* False Claims About Clinton Kicking People Off Welfare \*\*] > “[H]e has been able to kick ten million people off welfare,” he writes in a list of attacks on the former president. While the welfare rolls did drop substantially while Clinton was in office (although the total number as of June 2000 was 8.3 million), many people left voluntarily to take jobs as the economy grew or for other reasons. Far fewer were booted from the rolls by the five-year limits Clinton signed into law in 1996 or by stricter state limits. > [@](#): > > [\*\*False Claims About the Patriot Act \*\*] > In addition, Moore attacks the Patriot Act with an array of examples that have nothing to do with it. He introduces the list by writing that “To date, there are at least thirty-four documented cases of FBI abuse under the Patriot Act - and at least another 966 individuals have filed formal complaints. Many of these people were just minding their own business, or seeking to partake in our free society. Consider these examples.” (page 111) Moore lists an anti-globalization activist who was questioned by “immigration officials” and a “State department agent”; a New York judge who asked a defendant if she was a terrorist; French journalists detained at the Los Angeles Airport; a local police officer in Vermont entering a teacher’s classroom to photograph an anti-Bush art display; a college student questioned by Secret Service agents about “anti-American” material; and a Green Party activist questioned on his way to Prague. None of the incidents he lists, however, happened as a result of the Patriot Act, nor did any of them involve the FBI (the French journalists were detained for improper travel documents, and the Green Party activist was questioned by the Secret Service, as Moore’s own sources note). > [@](#): > > [**False Claims About the Economic Downturn**] > “There is no recession, my friends. No downturn. No hard times. The rich are wallowing in the loot they’ve accumulated in the past two decades, and now they want to make sure you don’t come a-lookin’ for your piece of the pie.” > > Forget about overinvestment during the tech boom, a sharp drop in business spending or even the simple facts of the business cycle. Michael Moore has the real answer: “[The rich have] decided to perform a preemptive strike in the hope that you’ll never even think of eyeing their piles of cash.” Not content to simply berate the wealthy for their disproportionate advances in income and wealth during the '90s boom, Moore takes his aggressive jargon to extremes by concocting a conspiracy in which the elite simply created a downturn that he claims doesn’t really exist. This isn’t satire, it’s paranoid propaganda. Amusingly, Moore seems to have the same problems he accuses his critics of: > [@](#): > > [**Michael Moore**](http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/): > But lately I’ve begun to see so many things about me or my work that aren’t true. It’s become so easy to spread these fictions through the internet (thanks mostly to lazy reporters or web junkies who do all their research by typing in “key words” and then just repeat the same mistakes). > [@](#): > > [**Spinsanity**](http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020403.html): > Just how did Moore get so many of his facts wrong? Lazy cribbing from media outlets and the Internet seems the most likely culprit, as evidenced by a four-page list of allegedly dubious policy accomplishments by President Bush, including cutting funds from libraries and appointing former business executives to regulatory posts. All but one of the 48 accusations appear in the same order and with very similar phrasing to a list that has been printed this winter (but before Moore’s book came out) on liberal Web sites and, according to Dr. David A. Sprintzen (often wrongly cited, though not by Moore, as its author), was circulating via e-mail last summer. I would also like to point out that I bent over backwards to cite an impartial site; I discounted any site with even of a right-wing view. Nevertheless, it seems you are relentless in your quest to salvage Moore’s name–you point out one inaccuracy you found and disregard the rest. Pathetic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-liar-why/250240.md?page=13)