# Michael Moore making sequel to "Fahrenheit 9-11" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302 "2008-05-14T16:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/1 "2008-05-14T16:41:10Z")
[_Variety_ reports:](http://www.variety.com/VR1117985577.html) > [@](#): > > Michael Moore is making a sequel to “Fahrenheit 9/11” for Overture Films and Paramount Vantage, which will shop the project to international buyers when the Cannes Film Festival and market get under way today. > > The two companies are co-financing and co-producing the untitled doc, which will be released next year. Overture will distribute the film domestically, while Vantage will handle international. > > \ > > Moore’s new doc could play at Cannes next year, if it isn’t released earlier in the spring. He’s already at work on the film. > > \ > > Sequel will pick up where “Fahrenheit 9/11” left off. In the time since, Bush’s popularity has plummeted, while the Iraq war continues and the economy falters. > > \ > > Moore’s decision not to make his next film with the Weinstein Co. comes after “Sicko” failed to ignite at the box office. Film, which took on the U.S. health care system, grossed $24.5 million domestically and $11.2 million internationally. Topically, the film didn’t resonate with overseas auds. Well and good – but, really, after the first film, what is there left to say, that the public does not already know all too well? At any rate, this project obviously is not being timed to influence any election. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/2 "2008-05-14T17:02:06Z")
Who ever thought a documentary filmmaker would be upset when his last film made “only” $35 million in the theatres? Anyway . . . he announced this right around the time the first F911 was released, but he said he was going to make another movie in between, which turned out to be Sicko. I’ve grown up a little and lost a lot of faith in Moore since then, but I might still rent it on DVD to see what he has to say. I hope if he chooses to deal with 9/11 at all he at least addresses some of the conspiracy theories and states how wacko they are. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/3 "2008-05-14T17:35:13Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Well and good – but, really, after the first film, what is there left to say, that the public does not already know all too well? [/QUOTE] An admission that the facts in his first film were technically true, but combined so as to convey a deceptive impression? Of course, that’s not likely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/4 "2008-05-14T17:40:47Z")
At this point its like beating a dead horse- I don’t think even the most strident Dubya haters are going to pay 10 bucks to see a movie slamming him when he’ll be long out of office by that time. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/5 "2008-05-14T18:14:22Z")
[QUOTE=JThunder] An admission that the facts in his first film were technically true, but combined so as to convey a deceptive impression? [/QUOTE] I know I’m gonna regret asking this . . . ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/6 "2008-05-14T18:14:50Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Well and good – but, really, after the first film, what is there left to say, that the public does not already know all too well? [/QUOTE] Michael Moore wants more money? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/7 "2008-05-14T18:18:02Z")
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] Michael Moore wants more money? [/QUOTE] Well look at the man…he’s practically wasting away to nothing! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/8 "2008-05-14T18:33:59Z")
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] Michael Moore wants more money? [/QUOTE] [shrug] A “socialist” (as I recall Bill O’Reilly fatuously calling Moore when the original F-9-11 came out) has as much right as anyone else to be greedy. ---
**Author:** ![DKW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dkw/32/3118_2.png) [@DKW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DKW)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/9 "2008-05-14T22:40:11Z")
Okay, Bush’s popularity is way down and all the utter lunacy is a thing of the past (Remember “Freedom Fries”? Dixie Chicks CD Demolition Nights?). Meanwhile, our troops are still dying, Iraqi civilians are still dying, a civil war has broken out, most of the former Iraq is living in sub-Third World conditions, and the Democratic Congress has done jumping jack crap to even defund this madness. Stop looking at F911 as a petty vendetta. There were tons upon tons of dishonesty, injustice, idiocy, and outright BS from the election all the way up to the Iraq invasion. Our people are getting killed, our money is being poured into a bottomless pit, and all for no sane reason whatsoever. It’s still going on. Nothing is being done to stop it. I’d say a wake-up call is more than warranted. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/10 "2008-05-14T22:48:38Z")
[QUOTE=DKW] the Democratic Congress has done jumping jack crap to even defund this madness. [/QUOTE] Yeah, cause that would make EVERYTHING better… :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Stop looking at F911 as a petty vendetta. Why not? That’s exactly what it was. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2008, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/11 "2008-05-14T22:49:34Z")
[QUOTE=DKW] Okay, Bush’s popularity is way down and all the utter lunacy is a thing of the past (Remember “Freedom Fries”? Dixie Chicks CD Demolition Nights?). Meanwhile, our troops are still dying, Iraqi civilians are still dying, a civil war has broken out, most of the former Iraq is living in sub-Third World conditions, and the Democratic Congress has done jumping jack crap to even defund this madness. Stop looking at F911 as a petty vendetta. There were tons upon tons of dishonesty, injustice, idiocy, and outright BS from the election all the way up to the Iraq invasion. Our people are getting killed, our money is being poured into a bottomless pit, and all for no sane reason whatsoever. It’s still going on. Nothing is being done to stop it. I’d say a wake-up call is more than warranted. [/QUOTE] You just said it so now I don’t have to waste time and money watching the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Crocodiles\_And\_Boulevards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Crocodiles\_And\_Boulevards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crocodiles_And_Boulevards)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/12 "2008-05-15T02:58:07Z")
I think it’d make sense for him to concentrate not on Dubya, but on the various contractors and private enterprises engaged in the Iraq War. I think that’s his most obvious target, and one that I’d be pleased as peaches to learn more about. While I take everything Michael Moore says with a grain of salt, you can’t help but root just a little for his ability/stature as a vehicle for delivering that criticism to a very wide audience. I look forward to some highly publicized criticism of the companies involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/13 "2008-05-15T04:02:08Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [shrug] A “socialist” (as I recall Bill O’Reilly fatuously calling Moore when the original F-9-11 came out) has as much right as anyone else to be greedy. [/QUOTE] Actually, I don’t think that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/14 "2008-05-15T13:39:29Z")
[QUOTE=RikWriter] Why not? That’s exactly what it was. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Like Elijah had a “petty vendetta” against the priests of Ba’al. Remember Moore at the [2003 Academy Awards,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Academy_Awards#Michael_Moore_controversy) not pandering to the audience, not saying the expected thing, but speaking the painful (and painfully obvious) truths that **nobody** at that time wanted to hear, and getting booed off stage for it? That was not any “petty vendetta,” and neither was his next film. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/15 "2008-05-15T14:48:00Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] :rolleyes: Like Elijah had a “petty vendetta” against the priests of Ba’al. Remember Moore at the [2003 Academy Awards,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Academy_Awards#Michael_Moore_controversy) not pandering to the audience, not saying the expected thing, but speaking the painful (and painfully obvious) truths that **nobody** at that time wanted to hear, and getting booed off stage for it? That was not any “petty vendetta,” and neither was his next film. [/QUOTE] No, it’s most assuredly a vendetta, as shown by his shameless pandering and grandstanding at the Oscars, for which he was rightly booed. I wish I’d been there to boo him in person. Your comparison to Elijah, however, made me laugh hard enough to rupture something. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/16 "2008-05-15T14:49:51Z")
[QUOTE=RikWriter] No, they are both petty vendettas, as shown by his shameless pandering and grandstanding at the Oscars, for which he was rightly booed. I wish I’d been there to boo him in person. [/QUOTE] The word “pandering” does not mean what you think it does. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/17 "2008-05-15T14:51:15Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] The word “pandering” does not mean what you think it does. [/QUOTE] Oh yeah, I am fairly sure it does. It just doesn’t mesh with how you wish the world was. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/18 "2008-05-15T15:14:35Z")
God. Just pin him to Hillary and let them wander around together until their batteries die. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/19 "2008-05-15T15:21:51Z")
My apologies to Cafe Societers for the above post. Due to a brain fart, I didn’t realize where I was. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/20 "2008-05-15T15:43:24Z")
[QUOTE=RikWriter] Oh yeah, I am fairly sure it does. It just doesn’t mesh with how you wish the world was. [/QUOTE] _sigh_ Moore’s speech at the 2003 Oscars was, of course, grandstanding – that’s what Oscar acceptance speeches are **for** – but given the national mood at the time it was the **exact opposite** of pandering; you can tell by the boos. Kudos to his courage. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302.md?page=2)