# Michael Moore making sequel to "Fahrenheit 9-11" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2008, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302 "2008-05-14T16:41:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/21 "2008-05-15T15:46:13Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [_Variety_ reports:](http://www.variety.com/VR1117985577.html) Well and good – but, really, after the first film, what is there left to say, that the public does not already know all too well? At any rate, this project obviously is not being timed to influence any election. [/QUOTE] Oh good, I was always hoping that Leni Riefenstahl would make a sequel to ‘The Fuhrer Gives a Village to the Jews.’, so that I could know what happened to those people in their village. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/22 "2008-05-15T15:49:40Z")
[QUOTE=Crocodiles And Boulevards] I think it’d make sense for him to concentrate not on Dubya, but on the various contractors and private enterprises engaged in the Iraq War. I think that’s his most obvious target, and one that I’d be pleased as peaches to learn more about. While I take everything Michael Moore says with a grain of salt, you can’t help but root just a little for his ability/stature as a vehicle for delivering that criticism to a very wide audience. I look forward to some highly publicized criticism of the companies involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. [/QUOTE] Yeah, but learning generally comes from an honest telling. Not something one can expect from Michael Moore. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/23 "2008-05-15T15:50:28Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] Oh good, I was always hoping that Leni Riefenstahl would make a sequel to ‘The Fuhrer Gives a Village to the Jews.’, so that I could know what happened to those people in their village. [/QUOTE] 😕 I’m sure you’re trying to make **some** kind of point here . . . [Riefenstahl never made any such movie](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl#Works) . . . if this is supposed to be a joke, try again. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/24 "2008-05-15T15:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [shrug] A “socialist” (as I recall Bill O’Reilly fatuously calling Moore when the original F-9-11 came out) has as much right as anyone else to be greedy. [/QUOTE] I suppose so, but it’s disingenuous to for him to claim he’s only trying to show the truth if it’s just going to be a 120 minute “Bush is evil” wankfest. Now, were he to take the Bush administration out of the equation and focus on something else, like the subcontractors who are getting rich off this war like **C&B** suggested, then that’s one thing. But if it’s a complete retread of the first movie (Bush lied! People died!), then it’s nothing more than a grab a more $$$. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/25 "2008-05-15T15:53:51Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] Oh good, I was always hoping that Leni Riefenstahl would make a sequel to ‘The Fuhrer Gives a Village to the Jews.’, so that I could know what happened to those people in their village. [/QUOTE] Your point taken, but just so you know, it was directed by Kurt Gerron, who was then murdered at Auschwitz. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/26 "2008-05-15T15:58:23Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 I’m sure you’re trying to make **some** kind of point here . . . [Riefenstahl never made any such movie](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leni_Riefenstahl#Works) . . . if this is supposed to be a joke, try again. [/QUOTE] “The Fuehrer Gives a City…” was a propaganda film made by the Nazis to show how wonderful life was at the concentration camp Thereisenstadt. It was, as you can imagine, a giant outrageous lie. **Mswas** is obviously drawing an analogy there. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/27 "2008-05-15T15:59:47Z")
[QUOTE=Captain Amazing] “The Fuehrer Gives a City…” was a propaganda film made by the Nazis to show how wonderful life was at the concentration camp Thereisenstadt. It was, as you can imagine, a giant outrageous lie. **Mswas** is obviously drawing an analogy there. [/QUOTE] Ah. Such an analogy would better be applied to Fox News coverage of postwar Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/28 "2008-05-15T16:16:35Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Ah. Such an analogy would better be applied to Fox News coverage of postwar Iraq. [/QUOTE] Some telling clips of which you can view in [_Outfoxed._](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed) (Not a Moore project.) Whoever made “The Fuhrer Gives a Village” would have fit right in at Fox. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/29 "2008-05-15T16:21:28Z")
I just don’t understand why anyone respects such obvious crap. ---
**Author:** ![DaveLister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f0a364/32.png) [@DaveLister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveLister)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/30 "2008-05-15T16:23:11Z")
…And why shouldn’t there be a ‘vendetta’ against George Fucking Idiot Bush? The man (term used loosely) deserves everything that comes his way. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/31 "2008-05-15T16:33:40Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] I just don’t understand why anyone respects such obvious crap. [/QUOTE] I dunno either, but judging by results, Murdoch and Ailes must’ve done some sort of market research before they started the network. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/32 "2008-05-15T16:46:22Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] I dunno either, but judging by results, Murdoch and Ailes must’ve done some sort of market research before they started the network. [/QUOTE] I meant Moore, but yeah, that too. Michael Moore does more to convince people that Leftists are buffoons than anyone else. He’s worth ten Rush Limbaughs. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/33 "2008-05-15T17:18:22Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Whoever made “The Fuhrer Gives a Village” would have fit right in at Fox. [/QUOTE] Like I had said, Gerron was a Jewish prisoner at Thereisenstadt who was forced to direct the propaganda piece, and who, soon after it was completed, was sent to Auschwitz with the rest of the inhabitants of Thereisenstadt. So can we please stop insulting the poor man, who’s guilty of nothing else than being forced to make a propaganda piece by a regime that went on to kill him? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/34 "2008-05-15T17:20:47Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] Michael Moore does more to convince people that Leftists are buffoons than anyone else. [/QUOTE] There’s zero buffoonery in _F-911,_ except for W’s own. What film are you referring to? _Bowling for Columbine,_ perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/35 "2008-05-15T17:57:59Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] _sigh_ Moore’s speech at the 2003 Oscars was, of course, grandstanding – that’s what Oscar acceptance speeches are **for** – but given the national mood at the time it was the **exact opposite** of pandering; you can tell by the boos. Kudos to his courage. [/QUOTE] No, he assumed that he would get a standing ovation because he (correctly) assumed that Hollywood has a majority population among its celebrity contingent of anti-war liberals. That’s pandering. The fact that there were people present who weren’t among the anti-war crowd just means that the celebrity/noncelebrity ratio wasn’t as low as he’d thought. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/36 "2008-05-15T17:59:59Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] There’s zero buffoonery in _F-911,_ except for W’s own. [/QUOTE] ROFL! Sure, whatever you say, bub. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/37 "2008-05-15T19:56:34Z")
[QUOTE=RikWriter] ROFL! Sure, whatever you say, bub. [/QUOTE] Whatever **you** say, [Nate!](http://images.salon.com/comics/boll/2006/11/30/boll/story.gif) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/38 "2008-05-15T21:09:52Z")
Sorry, momma told me not to take links from strangers. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/39 "2008-05-15T21:35:53Z")
There was a possibility–a really _slim_ one–that this thread wouldn’t have ended up in GD territory, but I think we zoomed right on by that. Off to GD. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2008, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302/40 "2008-05-15T21:47:25Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] _sigh_ Moore’s speech at the 2003 Oscars was, of course, grandstanding – that’s what Oscar acceptance speeches are **for** – but given the national mood at the time it was the **exact opposite** of pandering; you can tell by the boos. Kudos to his courage. [/QUOTE] There’s something odd about that. According to Moore (denied by all the press), there was little booing. Here’s what Roger Ebert wrote about the incident in the Sun-Times, April 6, 2003 (emphasis added). > [@](#): > > As a reporter, I was offended when Moore walked into the backstage press room and immediately started spin control. Instead of acknowledging he had been booed and dealing with that, he lectured the press to “tell the truth–don’t say it was a divided house because five loud people were booing.” Everyone in that room had heard a lot of booing (“at least half the house,” The New York Times reported). **To paraphrase a famous Richard Pryor line, Moore was asking us, “Who you gonna believe? Me, or your lyin’ ears?”…** > > “My ears heard the booing but my eyes didn’t see anybody booing… When I study the ABC tapes, I still don’t see anyone on the main floor booing.” So in Moore’s own mind, there was no courage involved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-making-sequel-to-fahrenheit-9-11/449302.md?page=3)