# Michael Moore plans to make Fahrenheit 9/11 sequal **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350 "2004-11-12T06:27:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/41 "2004-11-13T00:41:54Z")
Y’know, **RikWriter,** you might want to consider the possibility that Moore is _right._ Just look at the huge number of Americans who are _still_ misinformed about the presence of WMDs in Iraq, for instance. Michael Moore is a speaker of unpleasant truths. You may not like it, but those truths are out there. And at least he’s trying, in his own way, to fight that ignorance, which is IMO a helluva lot more patriotic than lying to the American people to start a “pre-emptive” war with another country… ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/42 "2004-11-13T01:03:39Z")
In answer to the OP, he’s making a sequel for the same reason most sequels are made: The first movie made a lot of money, and everyone involved with the first one would love to have twice as much money as they do now. Secondarily, he expects to have lots of stuff to make fun of. I think that’s a safe bet. The people who hate what Michael Moore does should find themselves some other documentarian that can make movies that they like. I doubt they’ll be able to make a pro-Bush movie that the public will receive with the same enthusiasm. I also think they’d have to distort the truth even more than Moore does in order to present the opposite viewpoint while entertaining moviegoers. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/43 "2004-11-13T01:20:40Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Y’know, **RikWriter,** you might want to consider the possibility that Moore is _right._ Just look at the huge number of Americans who are _still_ misinformed about the presence of WMDs in Iraq, for instance. > > Michael Moore is a speaker of unpleasant truths. You may not like it, but those truths are out there. And at least he’s trying, in his own way, to fight that ignorance, which is IMO a helluva lot more patriotic than lying to the American people to start a “pre-emptive” war with another country… No, Mickey Moore is the speaker of unpleasant and deceptive lies. He’s lied repeatedly and when he doesn’t lie outright he twists the truth beyond recognition. He’s damned good at it, as witnessed by the number of people who’ve bought into his deception. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/44 "2004-11-13T01:21:59Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > The people who hate what Michael Moore does should find themselves some other documentarian that can make movies that they like. Illogical statement. There are, for instance, many musicians I like, but that doesn’t prevent me from hating others. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/45 "2004-11-13T01:32:13Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > No, Mickey Moore is the speaker of unpleasant and deceptive lies. He’s lied repeatedly and when he doesn’t lie outright he twists the truth beyond recognition. He’s damned good at it, as witnessed by the number of people who’ve bought into his deception. Examples? If it’s so repeated they should be easy to find. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/46 "2004-11-13T01:44:30Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Illogical statement. There are, for instance, many musicians I like, but that doesn’t prevent me from hating others. Who said anything about preventing you from hating Michael Moore? Try to actually look at my statement before declaring it illogical, lest people start to doubt your grasp of logic. Is there a documentarian out there with a pro-Bush movie? If so, wouldn’t it make you happy to go to his movies and not to Moore’s? Then you can like one, hate the other, and move on with your life. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/47 "2004-11-13T01:55:01Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > Who said anything about preventing you from hating Michael Moore? Try to actually look at my statement before declaring it illogical, lest people start to doubt your grasp of logic. > > Is there a documentarian out there with a pro-Bush movie? If so, wouldn’t it make you happy to go to his movies and not to Moore’s? Then you can like one, hate the other, and move on with your life. My life is moving along quite well, thanks. I don’t come here for life-changing experiences, I come here to comment on the media and the arts. If you don’t care for my comments, you can counter them or, perhaps, follow your own advice. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/48 "2004-11-13T01:57:48Z")
> [@Silentgoldfish](#): > > Examples? If it’s so repeated they should be easy to find. Do a web search. There literally isn’t room here to list them all. Most involve false chronologies, twisted around to try to imply causality, but there are many that simply never happened at all. ---
**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/49 "2004-11-13T02:22:59Z")
> [@C K Dexter Haven](#): > > A Moderator Speaketh: > [bJoeSki\*\*, I have edited down your initial post because you quoted an entire article. We much prefer that you quote only a small portion (“fair usage”) and provide a link, OK? Note taken. Sorry about that 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/50 "2004-11-13T03:36:06Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Well, he said in a speech in Germany that “Americans are possibly the dumbest people on the planet.” > … I believe the question was > [@Malodorous](#): > > Wow. He has said on record that he hates America. You have a cite? …which none of what you quoted are. He says that he loves America, but hates that, in his opinion, it’s going down the tubes in front of our very eyes. Hey, I think he’s full of shit, fact-wise, but I’ll buy the above argument. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/51 "2004-11-13T03:50:49Z")
He certainly seems to hate Americans, as evidenced by the 64 zillion Moore quotes which all say something to the effect of “Americans are the stupidest people on Earth.” I’d say that this is equivalent to “hating America” for all practical purposes, although I really don’t want to get into a semantic argument because of Michael Freakin’ Moore. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/52 "2004-11-13T03:52:21Z")
Money is a great thing. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/53 "2004-11-13T03:53:23Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > I believe the question was > > …which none of what you quoted are. > > He says that he loves America, but hates that, in his opinion, it’s going down the tubes in front of our very eyes. Hey, I think he’s full of shit, fact-wise, but I’ll buy the above argument. What IS America other than the people in it? He hates the American people, hates the government, hates the economic system…what the hell does he like, the freaking SCENERY? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/54 "2004-11-13T07:06:52Z")
The ideals? The dreams? The Constitution and the Bill of Rights? It’s certainly possible to love America as an ideal while being disappointed that we’re not living up to it. But this is a complex idea, not easily suited for folks who think “America – love it or leave it” is a valid philosophy, nor folks who keep claiming Moore hates America without being able to actually cite an example of same. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/55 "2004-11-13T07:26:55Z")
[QUOTE=rjungIt’s certainly possible to love America as an ideal while being disappointed that we’re not living up to it. But this is a complex idea, not easily suited for folks who think “America – love it or leave it” is a valid philosophy, nor folks who keep claiming Moore hates America without being able to actually cite an example of same.[/QUOTE] It’s not _that_ complex, is it? Moore could as easily be claiming he loves America, but hates Americans, which sounds pithy and witty if you’re into that sort of thing, but not particularly complex. Actually, I don’t see a lot of indication that any part of Moore’s message, as conveyed in his films, is complicated in the least. A lot of it is actually grossly oversimplified. Entertaining, mind you, and possibly thought-provoking, but he’s not exactly the Immanuel Kant of documentarians. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/56 "2004-11-13T07:28:41Z")
If you squint real hard, you can see the closing bracket in the above post. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![JamesCarroll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@JamesCarroll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JamesCarroll)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/57 "2004-11-13T07:39:23Z")
Nothing more than typical Hollywood. You were stupid enough to buy it the first time, you;ll be stupid enough to buy it a second time. ---
**Author:** ![Abbie\_Carmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/49beb7/32.png) [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/58 "2004-11-13T08:35:17Z")
Michael Moore is living by the same credo every Hollywood entertainer lives by: never overestimate the intelligence of the public. A lot of really stupid people are willing to shell out money for his “documentaries.” He’s just filling a need. He’s a businessman 🙂 I hope it’s wildly successful. When the liar finally does go down, I want him to be at the height of fame so as many people as possible see karma biting his ass. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/59 "2004-11-13T09:34:45Z")
> [@Quasimodal](#): > > …a lazy Bush is better than an energized stupid bush. This time, he can read “A Pet Goat II” for 14 minutes while the US is getting attacked. I don’t think Moore will have any problem making a sequel. All he has to do is sit back and film the proverbial train wreck that is about to happen now that 49% lost. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350/60 "2004-11-13T09:50:47Z")
Still F911 was a big work, something that will be remembered for a long time (at least given the transient nature of film history.) It was his masterpiece. Of all the things he could do next, why would he want to do a sequel which will simply cheapen the original? (I still like the Broadway idea.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-plans-to-make-fahrenheit-9-11-sequal/274350.md?page=4)