# Michael Moore, you are a hypocritical lying sack of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2002, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112 "2002-03-19T22:04:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/21 "2002-03-20T06:35:11Z")
The occasional emails I receive from MM are about the only thing that keeps me from complete despair these days. And I read what he said… c’mon already! He’s a political humorist, for chrissake! The OP portrayal is a little reactionary, to say the least. I certainly didn’t see any lies in his version vs. the one being given here. Only a difference in tone… But then, it probably does gall the right to see an unrepentent hardcore lefty having the #1 book in the country. Gee… you think maybe the whole country isn’t just crazy ‘bout ol’ George after all? Whoda thunk it? ---
**Author:** ![Jurhael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Jurhael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurhael)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/22 "2002-03-20T06:35:50Z")
While I think Micheal Moore can be a bit of an ass, I think that he has a lot of intelligent and interesting things to say whether I agree with him or not. "Calm down, Mike. Your book is selling better than anyone expected. With the crash of Enron and subsequent exposure of its inner workings, people are finally willing to listen to someone decrying the state of corporate America. Don’t overplay your hand. " Absolutly. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lockfist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/838e76/32.png) [@Lockfist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lockfist)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/23 "2002-03-20T07:02:00Z")
Being born and raised in Flint I find it ironic that the only person to get rich and famous off **Roger & Me** was the Michael Moore. He exploits the very people he claims to “defend”. I mean, when everyone in your hometown thinks your an asshole its kind of hard to keep your street cred. I will admit I do enjoy _some_ of his work subsequent to **Roger & Me**. The “Awful Truth” episode with the “Reverand” Fred Phelps vs. the “Sodomobile” was quite entertaining. However, this latest gag only goes to expose what a pathetic loser this guy really is. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/24 "2002-03-20T07:48:52Z")
“_You are an idiot._ There is this thing called a “joke,” Frank, that you may want to look into sometime. A joke is a display of cleverness intended to engender yux. There are, however, certain rather thick personages who require advance notice if they are to recognize a joke when they see one. In polite society it is customary when in the presence of these people to signal the onset of a joke by means of some subtle stratagem, such as a gong, large firecracker, or air-raid siren.” -Cecil Adams ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/25 "2002-03-20T08:17:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lockfist \* > \*\*Being born and raised in Flint I find it ironic that the only person to get rich and famous off **Roger & Me** was the Michael Moore. > > He exploits the very people he claims to “defend”. I mean, when everyone in your hometown thinks your an asshole its kind of hard to keep your street cred. > \*\* I’ve heard this once or twice before. I’m curious…what exactly is it you think he is supposed to do? Support the whole town with the money he’s made? How precisely has he failed you all and what remedy would you propose if you could? ---
**Author:** ![Vic\_Ferrari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/dbc845/32.png) [@Vic\_Ferrari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vic_Ferrari)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/26 "2002-03-20T09:13:33Z")
_I’m curious…what exactly is it you think General Motors is supposed to do? Support the whole town with the money they’ve made? How precisely have they failed you all and what remedy would you propose if you could?_ Actually, I thought Roger & Me was a great movie. If FOX News had half a brain they’d snap him up and give him a TV show right after O’Reilly. With that kind of populist one-two punch CNN would fold within a week. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/27 "2002-03-20T13:58:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*“_You are an idiot._ There is this thing called a “joke,” Frank, that you may want to look into sometime. A joke is a display of cleverness intended to engender yux. There are, however, certain rather thick personages who require advance notice if they are to recognize a joke when they see one. In polite society it is customary when in the presence of these people to signal the onset of a joke by means of some subtle stratagem, such as a gong, large firecracker, or air-raid siren.” > > -Cecil Adams \*\* Thank you Matt. I was trying to be nicer…I guess I forgot where I was… ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/28 "2002-03-20T15:00:41Z")
Damnit Vic Ferrari, with funny insightful posts like that, who do you think you are only posting 33 posts since August of 2001? I wanna hear more out of you. Stop lurking and start writing. I’m serious. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/29 "2002-03-20T15:12:09Z")
I’m willing to allow that the whole diary entry was written tongue-in-cheek. But honestly, the humor is lost on me. If blatantly slanting the actual event to promote an agenda is humor, I guess Tass must’ve gotten off some real corkers in its day. ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/30 "2002-03-20T15:40:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bdgr \* > \*\*He wrote it in the same tone that he wrote the stuff about how he had been payed off by the republicans to ruin Gores chances of getting elected by supporting Nader, and in the same tone as all his letters to bush, and his african american wallet exchange. Its not meant to be taken seriously…read the rest of his stuff from his site…its tongue and cheek… \*\* Soooo… you think the janitor and police officers who were responsibly doing their jobs deserve to be characterized as repressive opponents of free speech? Ha ha. That’s just so funny. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/31 "2002-03-20T15:40:29Z")
**Stoid** , et al, if MM was joking, he should be reminded of the axiom that if you have to explain the joke, it didn’t work. And apparently it isn’t just conservatives who don’t “get” this particular bit of “humor:” as noted, several of his own fans understand Moore’s diary interest as being quite serious. In any event, if this is a bit of misunderstood humor, then a lot of people are misunderstanding it – why isn’t Moore saying he was joking? You’d think he’d want to clear up the misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/32 "2002-03-20T17:03:26Z")
:rolleyes: Please. DCU should take a chill pill – I’m _so very sorry_ that Michael Moore, the left’s own insufferable faux populist blowhard, is #1 on the NY Times Best Seller list. Know why he’s #1? It’s because he’s twice as insightful and perspicacious as Bill O’Reilly or Chris Matthews, the right-wing version of the insufferable faux populist blowhard. And he ain’t any more hypocritical or sanctimonious. And until he’s got that show on CNN with which to spew his view like so many right-wingers, more power to him for reaching people through his books and diary on-line. Yes, that’s right – it’s not an offending column on NewsMax or Frontpage, nor a show on MSNBC or FOX. It’s a book! And an **on-line diary!** Alert the presses, a left-winger has a web log! And it’s annoying DCU! I’m guessing all the crowing over the overflow of crowds following MM in even republican states has set the Right on edge – expect an Andrew Sullivan attack column shortly. Speaking of lying sacks of shit doing disservice: Until the views of Ann “Kill the Liberals” Coulter is no longer **paid to publish her insanely poisonous diatribes,** I say it’s hypocritical to even complain about annoying liberal viewpoints. In fact, I think we need about 5 more Michael Moores before we reach parity! ---
**Author:** ![Medea\_s\_Child](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Medea\_s\_Child](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Medea_s_Child)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/33 "2002-03-20T17:40:23Z")
No, we don’t need any more. I think I despise the one we have already. I’ll develop my liberal-commie-tree hugging- let’s go fight against THE MAN ideals on my own, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/34 "2002-03-20T17:40:51Z")
I must be humor-impaired, because I didn’t get any semblance of a self-deprecating, ironic, funny tone in Mr. Moore’s diary entry when discussing his treatment. If it was meant to be tongue in cheek, his nose ended up in his shoe. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/35 "2002-03-20T17:52:23Z")
**Ace0Spades** , no one is complaining that Moore’s book is doing well. No one is complaining that Moore has a web log. No one is complaining that Moore espouses liberal viewpoints. What I **am** complaining about is Moore’s utter mischaracterization of the event in question. Oh, and that whole “I’m a fighter for the common man” charade he puts on while simultaneously pissing on a janitor – an actual “common man” – who just wanted to go home. As I noted in my OP, Moore’s hysterics do a disservice to those who have suffered _real_ repression. I am no great fan of Ann Coulter. Nor am I a great fan of Bill O’Reilley. Nor am I a great fan of Rush Limbaugh. When they pull tacky, dishonest shit, please call them on it. I encourage that. But two wrongs do not make a right. It is patently stupid to justify Moore’s actions by saying “Ann Coulter does awful things, too.” ---
**Author:** ![rsa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rsa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsa)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/36 "2002-03-20T18:22:41Z")
I don’t follow MM, but his diary entry just makes him look like a jerk. He rented the place and had a contract that gave him access until 11:00 and then get his panties in a wad because he was asked to leave at 11:30? I think that this quote in the Union-Trib article says it all: > [@](#): > > _"The brave lady who was the owner of the independent bookstore and who was there selling my book, leaned over and whispered to me, ‘I am willing to go to jail for this if you want me to.’ "_ > > That “brave lady” is Carole Carden of Esmeralda Books & Coffee in Del Mar. \*\*Her impressions of Moore? > > “Never meet your heroes,” she said.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/37 "2002-03-20T18:25:51Z")
Since when did having a book on the NY Times Bestseller list mean that the author was _not_ a slanted pathological liar? Or mean that their book had any truth, value, or meaning to it? Holy fallacious assumptions, Batgirl! Whatever Mr. Moore is, asserting that having a book on the NYT List means they are worth a damn is just plain dishonest. Didn’t Rush Limbaugh have a book or two on there once? I guess, in all fairness, you will now imply that he and his works have meaning as well, right? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2002, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/38 "2002-03-20T18:32:07Z")
Add me to the list of those who don’t get the “humor” in MMs blog.I didn’t see the tongue-in-cheek flavor, either. I think those who are describing it as pure humor are giving him an undeserved pass. He acted like a moron, pure and simple. > [@](#): > > We had apparently violated our curfew. Nope you had gone over the agreed time allotted, somebody else apparently wanted to do his job and claen up. Apparently he deliberately chose to misrepresent the facts of the events…to what ends is anyone’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/39 "2002-03-21T00:46:13Z")
In 2000, with the Republican National Convention in full swing in Philadelphia, a bunch of aimless radicals try to paralyze the city. When stymied by bike cops, they run down Walnut St., setting fires to the _Beurgois_ dumpsters and set fire to a car to stick to the MAN. The car turns out to belong to a janitor from North Philadelphia. Now a Janitor calls the cops on the poor opressed Moore who made no offer of compensation to an overworked middle school janitor… It’s obvious… there is a silent war going on between leftish activists and our nations janitors. Maybe it was the writing on the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2002, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112/40 "2002-03-21T00:58:30Z")
Again, what gives Moore special priviledges that others don’t have? Why should they extend a contract, a LEGAL document beyond their control, just because he wasn’t finished. They even gave him a little bit of time before telling him, hey, we want to go home. Heaven forbid us hardworking people be able to go home and enjoy our families. I’m going to submit Moore to Customers Suck on being a SUCKY CUSTOMER!!! YOU SUCK!!! Sorry, but Moore, you are NOT one of us. You are one of the big guys now. You are no longer a champion for the little people when you act like this. The janitors are part of the working class that us lefties are supposed to support. You sir, are a jackass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-you-are-a-hypocritical-lying-sack-of-shit/99112.md?page=3)