# Michael Moore **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 21, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181 "2017-05-21T23:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/41 "2017-05-22T17:31:30Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Am I alone in thinking this man is in the catbird seat for the 2020 Democratic nomination? Yes, you are. MMoore, like the evil dreaded SOROS, or the perennial WICKED WITCH, is a convenient monster-under-the-bed-boogie-man that the Right likes to trot out to frighten the children into coughing up campaign contribution. History shows that the left doesn’t usually fawn over media personalities as potential candidates like the right does. (Reagan, Trump, Heston, Eastwood, Dwayne Johnson, etc., etc.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/42 "2017-05-22T18:05:38Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Am I alone in thinking this man is in the catbird seat for the 2020 Democratic nomination? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I suspect you are, but I would be delighted to be incorrect. You must be one of the happiest people in the country. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/43 "2017-05-22T18:07:35Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > So, the general consensus is that it’s going to take much more than Moore? :smack: Was THAT what this thread was about? That horrible pun? Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![CHealy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@CHealy7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CHealy7)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/44 "2017-05-22T18:43:28Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > With the exception of Al Sharpton, I can’t imagine any possible Democratic candidate who would be worse than Moore. You may laugh, but I’ve long suspected that a Moore/Sharpton ticket in 2004 would have beaten Bush in a blowout on the scale of Reagan’s in '84. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/45 "2017-05-22T18:46:04Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > You may laugh, but I’ve long suspected that a Moore/Sharpton ticket in 2004 would have beaten Bush in a blowout on the scale of Reagan’s in '84. …Ah…?? :dubious: 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/46 "2017-05-22T19:00:08Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > So, in order: > > Homeless guy in van > **Just Asking Questions** > Michael Moore > Donald J. Trump 🙂 If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I’ll serve…long enough to read the secret UFO files, The list is probably more like: 50,000,000 others Homeless guy in van Me Some more people Michael Moore 100,000,000 more people the current so-called President ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/47 "2017-05-22T20:11:19Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > You may laugh, but I’ve long suspected that a Moore/Sharpton ticket in 2004 would have beaten Bush in a blowout on the scale of Reagan’s in '84. I think you might be out of touch with the American political mainstream. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/48 "2017-05-22T20:13:17Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > The list is probably more like: > > 50,000,000 others > Homeless guy in van > Me > Some more people > Michael Moore > 100,000,000 more people > the current so-called President Where’s Sharpton fit in? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/49 "2017-05-22T20:13:26Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Republicans think about Moore a heck of a lot more than Democrats do. That’s probably true; as mentioned earlier in the thread, mentioning Moore opens GOP wallets just as much as does mentioning George Soros or (gasp) Hillary. But there is a legitimate reason for the right to hate and fear Moore: he is an unusually effective communicator. I would defy anyone to watch his election-season 2016 film Michael Moore in TrumpLand—or even just its first fifteen minutes—without forming an admiration for the way Moore gets the pro-Trump Ohio audience to listen to what he has to say. > [@](#): > > Michael Moore in TrumpLand: In this film Moore talks about the 2016 Presidential Election Campaigns… It was filmed in Wilmington, Ohio at the Murphy Theatre over the course of two nights in October. The film premiered just 11 days after it was shot, showing at the IFC Center in New York City. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhgnJv1P1Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhgnJv1P1Y) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/50 "2017-05-22T20:51:13Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That’s probably true; as mentioned earlier in the thread, mentioning Moore opens GOP wallets just as much as does mentioning George Soros or (gasp) Hillary. > > But there is a legitimate reason for the right to hate and fear Moore: he is an unusually effective communicator. I would defy anyone to watch his election-season 2016 film Michael Moore in TrumpLand—or even just its first fifteen minutes—without forming an admiration for the way Moore gets the pro-Trump Ohio audience to listen to what he has to say. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhgnJv1P1Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQhgnJv1P1Y) Oh, come on. How far into the liberal bubble do you have to be to think he was addressing a pro-Trump audience? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/51 "2017-05-22T20:52:06Z")
Dear god, don’t do this, Democrats. He’s like a left-wing Trump, only smugger. Nominate Franken. He’s funny, he’s smart, he’s articulare, he’s got principles out the arse, he can draw the 50 states by heart as a pub trick and he knows his way around a gotcha and will run rings around any Fox stooge any day of the week. Plus, doggone it, people like him. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/52 "2017-05-22T20:53:08Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > You may laugh, but I’ve long suspected that a Moore/Sharpton ticket in 2004 would have beaten Bush in a blowout on the scale of Reagan’s in '84. Huh. So there _are_ parallel universes. Fucking quantum. ---
**Author:** ![CHealy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@CHealy7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CHealy7)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/53 "2017-05-22T20:54:59Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think you might be out of touch with the American political mainstream. Moore had a high profile at the time from his books and movies, and Sharpton would have energised the base. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/54 "2017-05-22T21:02:17Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Moore had a high profile at the time from his books and movies, and Sharpton would have energised the base. I’m part of the Democratic base, and I would not have been energized by Sharpton on the ticket. Nor by Moore. I like them both okay, but wouldn’t truly want to see either set up shop in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/55 "2017-05-22T21:22:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh, come on. How far into the liberal bubble do you have to be to think he was addressing a pro-Trump audience? So you haven’t seen it. Give it a shot. (I’m not sure if it’s available free anywhere–it’s $4.99 on iTunes and Amazon, but maybe it’s free on one of the other services.) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/56 "2017-05-22T21:55:47Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Moore had a high profile at the time from his books and movies, and Sharpton would have energised the base. OTOH, Al Sharpton is _insane_. That kind of stuff matters when you’re not a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/57 "2017-05-22T22:11:07Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Moore had a high profile at the time from his books and movies, and Sharpton would have energised the base. So what? The base was going to vote against Bush anyway. “Energizing” them was just wasted effort. It’s not like they could vote extra hard. You don’t want to energize the base. You want to convince swing voters to move in your direction. Moore and Sharpton would have pushed swing voters the other way. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/58 "2017-05-22T22:59:10Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Moore had a high profile at the time from his books and movies, and Sharpton would have energised the base. No, Moore and Sharpton would have greatly narrowed down the demographic of voters who would be willing to vote Democratic. You’re correct, all right, that there might have been a 1984-type landslide if Bush-Cheney had gone up against Moore-Sharpton in 2004… just probably not in the directional outcome that you mean. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/59 "2017-05-22T23:08:48Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So you haven’t seen it. > > Give it a shot. (I’m not sure if it’s available free anywhere–it’s $4.99 on iTunes and Amazon, but maybe it’s free on one of the other services.) I’ve seen many clips of it. I do not have a big problem with anything I heard him say. Is there something in it that would make me believe a bunch of Trump supporters came to a Moore pop up movie? Because, my first guess here is that you think it was a pro-Trump crowd simply on the base of what town it was filmed in. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/60 "2017-05-22T23:20:40Z")
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