# Michael Moore **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 21, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181 "2017-05-21T23:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/61 "2017-05-23T02:19:31Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Only progressives who perhaps read headlines and not articles. > > He objected to lower testing than FDA standards in that bill, but voted yes on the next one that dealt with that issue. I wasn’t aware of the follow up vote. However the safety concern is the same reason the Bush administration and the pharmaceutical companies claim they oppose re importation. So that argument is not persuasive and is usually just a smokescreen to protect the profit margins of the pharmaceutical industry. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/62 "2017-05-23T02:34:52Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I wasn’t aware of the follow up vote. However the safety concern is the same reason the Bush administration and the pharmaceutical companies claim they oppose re importation. So that argument is not persuasive and is usually just a smokescreen to protect the profit margins of the pharmaceutical industry. Well, that’s a matter of opinion and I do disagree. There are medications that routinely get imported from other countries that fail our FDA standards (esp India). It’s prudent to make sure people who buy cheaper meds don’t get inferior ones, just because they can’t afford the ones here. But regardless, to think Booker is some kind of corporate shill doesn’t look at everything he’s done. Here is a good summary of the vote and how it’s been misinterpreted. [PolitiFact | Viral image about Democratic senators and 'big pharma' is misleading](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/18/other-98/viral-image-about-democratic-senators-and-big-phar/) ---
**Author:** ![CHealy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@CHealy7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CHealy7)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/63 "2017-05-23T12:48:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > OTOH, Al Sharpton is _insane_. That kind of stuff matters when you’re not a Republican. Enough already, people. Sharpton would sweep the blue states, edge the key battlegrounds and pick up red states across the land. I also believe that he is one of the few figures in political life with the ability to run a major corporation. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/64 "2017-05-23T13:36:32Z")
> [@DinoR](#): > > I’d like to think the electorate has learned a lesson about electing someone who is wildly inexperienced and completely unprepared for the duties of the office. I thought so too, but he was re-elected in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/65 "2017-05-23T14:15:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Where’s Sharpton fit in? from bottom to top: The current so-called president everyone else suffering from dementia Al Sharpton Inanimate carbon rod Jeb Bush everyone else in Florida 100,000,000 minus population of Florida other people Michael Moore Some more people Me HGiV 50,000,000 others ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/66 "2017-05-23T22:11:54Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I’ve seen many clips of it. I do not have a big problem with anything I heard him say. Is there something in it that would make me believe a bunch of Trump supporters came to a Moore pop up movie? > > Because, my first guess here is that you think it was a pro-Trump crowd simply on the base of what town it was filmed in. No, I think it was a pro-Trump crowd because I’ve seen the movie. ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/67 "2017-05-24T08:35:08Z")
**Moore Hillary** would be my dream 2020 Democratic ticket :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/68 "2017-05-24T12:19:36Z")
> [@Fleetwood](#): > > I thought so too, but he was re-elected in 2012. Hate to break it to you, Shecky, but “Obama is the worst president imaginable” jokes haven’t aged well. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/69 "2017-05-24T13:49:34Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Enough already, people. Sharpton would sweep the blue states, edge the key battlegrounds and pick up red states across the land. I also believe that he is one of the few figures in political life with the ability to run a major corporation. On the contrary. If Sharpton ran, CA would be in play. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/70 "2017-05-24T16:11:03Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Enough already, people. Sharpton would sweep the blue states, edge the key battlegrounds and pick up red states across the land. I also believe that he is one of the few figures in political life with the ability to run a major corporation. Don’t know what world you live in. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/71 "2017-05-24T16:47:24Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > No, I think it was a pro-Trump crowd because I’ve seen the movie. And yet you seem hesitant to articulate what you saw in the movie that makes you think that. ---
**Author:** ![CHealy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@CHealy7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CHealy7)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/72 "2017-05-24T17:08:06Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > On the contrary. If Sharpton ran, CA would be in play. Or he could inspire African-American voters in states like South Carolina and split the GOP firewall open. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/73 "2017-05-24T17:33:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > On the contrary. If Sharpton ran, CA would be in play. If Sharpton ran, Massachusetts would be in play. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/74 "2017-05-24T17:52:56Z")
Moore would have less of a chance than some posters on this board. The Democrats have an age problem with their best candidates and senior leadership. One non-political person that I think could win would be Tom Brokaw. then I checked his age, and he’s 77. The best Democratic Hope? Maybe former comedian, now senator Al Franken. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/75 "2017-05-24T18:25:22Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Or he could inspire African-American voters in states like South Carolina and split the GOP firewall open. Obama lost SC by almost 10 percentage points. Sharpton would do worse. ---
**Author:** ![CHealy7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3ab097/32.png) [@CHealy7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CHealy7)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/76 "2017-05-24T18:30:30Z")
Say what you like; but I have no doubt that if HRC had tapped Sharpton (or Moore) for the VP slot, she would now occupy the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/77 "2017-05-24T18:38:24Z")
Well, that would have been one way to keep the Russians out of the election-- they wouldn’t have needed to interfere! ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/78 "2017-05-24T18:41:31Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Moore is a master of cherry-picking or misleading. > \* I concur. I generally agree with his positions on the issues, but I find his movies (and brief television show) to be one-sided propaganda pieces filled with logical fallacies, rather than actual documentaries. They were somewhat entertaining in a rally the troops sort of way, but I always felt like I was being sold a bill of goods and didn’t like it. If I condemn those on Fox news who pretend to present unbiased facts but who are obviously manipulating their audience I can’t very well support those on the left using the same means even if I agree with the ends. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/79 "2017-05-24T18:59:41Z")
> [@CHealy7](#): > > Say what you like; but I have no doubt that if HRC had tapped Sharpton (or Moore) for the VP slot, she would now occupy the Oval Office. This is a left-leaning board. If we’re telling you Moore and Sharpton are unelectable, you can take what we’re saying and multiple it by ten in an actual election. Michael Moore and Al Sharpton have as much chance of getting elected President as Gary Johnson does. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181/80 "2017-05-24T19:54:24Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And yet you seem hesitant to articulate what you saw in the movie that makes you think that. It’s not something that can be determined via description. I would need to post the entire transcript of the film\* as well as (at the least) a few hundred still photos\*\* showing audience members’ reactions, including initial folded arms and skeptical scowls that later turn to unfolded arms, full attention, and laughter and applause. But that makes no sense since: a) nothing I post would be accepted by you as evidence that the audience was largely made up of people resistant to Moore’s message; and b) seeing it for yourself is the only thing that would convince you. If you want to know whether or not Moore is an effective communicator in the movie, you need to see the movie. - and \*\*: these would violate copyright. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore/787181.md?page=5)