# Michael Moore's secret project: "Where To Invade Next" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 3, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857 "2015-09-03T20:57:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/1 "2015-09-03T20:57:02Z")
[This documentary.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_to_Invade_Next) about the American military-industrial complex and how the government maintains a state of “infinite war,” will premiere this month at the Toronto Film Festival and probably will be released around Thanksgiving. [Apparently Moore kept it under wraps while making it.](http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/29/michael-moore-film-where-to-invade-next-us-government-war) (Too paranoid? Or not paranoid enough?) > [@](#): > > Moore revealed rough details of the project, which he has been making “in secret” since 2009, in his first Periscope broadcast. He answered questions from fans posted on Twitter and started by saying he’d like to “say ‘Hello!’ to my NSA friends that are watching right now”. He’s been a vocal critic of the agency’s mass surveillance practices – revealed by the Guardian in 2013 – and called whistleblower Edward Snowden “the hero of the year”. > > He said Where to Invade Next, which was filmed across three continents, was “epic in nature”, but made quietly with a small crew. “There’s usually someone chasing us,” he said. It seems the film, which premieres at the Toronto film festival in September, will cover some of the same ground as his Palme d’Or-winning Fahrenheit 9/11, a critique of the Bush administration’s “war on terror” detailing the various dictatorships that have been supported by the US administration in the interests of maintaining conflicts that profited America. Fahrenheit 9/11 is the highest-grossing documentary of all time, taking close to $120m (£75m) at the US box office. > > “The issue of the United States at infinite war is something that has concerned me for quite some time, and provides the necessary satire for this film,” said Moore in the Periscope broadcast. > > “[There’s] this constant need it seems to always have an enemy – where’s the next enemy so we can keep this whole military industrial complex alive, and keep the companies that make a lot of money from this in business. I’ve always been a little bothered by that, so that’s where the comedy comes from.” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/2 "2015-09-03T22:04:15Z")
You can watch Moore’s announcement-video [here](http://variety.com/2015/film/festivals/where-to-invade-next-michael-moore-watch-1201550070/) – it’s just Moore talking; I can’t seem to find any trailer of the film online yet. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/3 "2015-09-03T23:34:16Z")
He should invade a damned weight watcher’s. ---
**Author:** ![bb49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b38774/32.png) [@bb49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bb49)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/4 "2015-09-08T02:21:27Z")
It will be interesting to see just how close he comes to being right. But a lot will depend on who the next president is. Who would Trump invade? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/5 "2015-09-08T02:48:45Z")
> [@bb49](#): > > Who would Trump invade? Megyn Kelly ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/6 "2015-09-08T05:12:39Z")
I’ve noticed how Moore is quiet when a democrat is in office. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/7 "2015-09-08T05:23:29Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’ve noticed how Moore is quiet when a democrat is in office. [1997](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124295/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/8 "2015-09-08T07:04:58Z")
There’s just something about Moore that makes me oppose anything he claims to believe in, even if I didn’t before. Reminds me of several Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/9 "2015-09-08T11:44:30Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > [1997](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124295/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1) I’m not sure 18 years ago when he was just starting out and not yet a prominent political figure counts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/10 "2015-09-08T11:49:54Z")
I’m not a Michael Moore fan. If he put in the work he could do the job he thinks he’s actually doing, but instead he takes shortcuts, fudges the facts, takes cheap shots and generally sacrifices honesty and credibility in order to be able to act all smug and superior. I’m sure his new film will contain many valid and thought-provoking points - and I’m likewise sure he’ll take a big steaming dump all over them as per usual. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/11 "2015-09-08T11:53:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’m not sure 18 years ago when he was just starting out and not yet a prominent political figure counts. Moore has been somewhat famous since his 1989 film _Roger & Me_ although his star did rise after he released _Bowling For Columbine_. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/12 "2015-09-08T11:58:41Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’m not sure 18 years ago when he was just starting out and not yet a prominent political figure counts. 1997 was eight years after **Roger and Me** (which made a huge splash) and three years after the start of the Award-Winning **TV Nation**. By 1997, Michael Moore wasn’t “just starting out” – he had already arrived. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/13 "2015-09-08T12:24:10Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’ve noticed how Moore is quiet when a democrat is in office. Have you noticed that there’s a Democrat in office now, when he’s about to release this? Have you also noticed that he’s been working on this since 2009, which might explain why he hasn’t released much else in the interim? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/14 "2015-09-08T12:27:42Z")
Maybe it helps the message if the person delivering is not part of the package. I always worried a little about the emotional investment many put into Jon Stewart. I also think Moore knows his audiences - the converted already know, the rest might give just a little time to a fat ugly guy who sounds like them. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/15 "2015-09-08T13:47:55Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’m not sure 18 years ago when he was just starting out and not yet a prominent political figure counts. Whoa, those goalposts sure moved fast. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/16 "2015-09-08T14:01:24Z")
His central thesis is mistaken. Does he believe that radical Muslim terrorists hate and kill because America? Does he believe the Communists were just misunderstood and there was no need for the Cold War? Oh wait, he does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/17 "2015-09-08T14:15:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > There’s just something about Moore that makes me oppose anything he claims to believe in, even if I didn’t before. Reminds me of several Dopers. Me, too, and the “something” is this: > [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not a Michael Moore fan. If he put in the work he could do the job he thinks he’s actually doing, but instead he takes shortcuts, fudges the facts, takes cheap shots and generally sacrifices honesty and credibility in order to be able to act all smug and superior. > > I’m sure his new film will contain many valid and thought-provoking points - and I’m likewise sure he’ll take a big steaming dump all over them as per usual. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/18 "2015-09-08T16:48:32Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > He should invade a damned weight watcher’s. If a fat joke is all ya got, I’ll see you and raise you Rush Limbaugh. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/19 "2015-09-08T16:49:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > His central thesis is mistaken. Does he believe that radical Muslim terrorists hate and kill because America? Does he believe the Communists were just misunderstood and there was no need for the Cold War? > > Oh wait, he does. You don’t know that until you’ve seen the movie. And, in hindsight, there really was no need for the Cold War. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857/20 "2015-09-08T18:02:06Z")
That’s a very shaky theory. If we hadn’t contested the Soviet Union they wouldn’t have had to devote as much money to defense. If we hadn’t contested their proxies they wouldn’t have had to spend so much money helping them beat our proxies. A Soviet Union that paid more attention to internal matters than foreign adventures might be China today. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moores-secret-project-where-to-invade-next/729857.md?page=2)