# Michael Savage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047 "2019-11-27T03:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/61 "2019-11-27T17:56:57Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Has anyone listen to The Savage Nation, a rightwing talk radio show, hosted by nationalist Michael Savage since 1994. > > Savage is one of the most listened to talk show hosts in America, which has vaulted him to the Talk Radio Hall of Fame. > > I don’t care for his Trump approval, but he is very intelligent. He has a master’s collegiate degree in medical botany and anthropology at the University of Hawaii and a Ph.D. in nutritional botany from the University of California, Berkley. > > [Michael Savage - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage) trump approval is a real rubicon for intelligence. What is it about his trump approval that is out of character for the rest of the presentation? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/62 "2019-11-27T18:11:41Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Has anyone listen to The Savage Nation, a rightwing talk radio show, hosted by nationalist Michael Savage since 1994. > > Savage is one of the most listened to talk show hosts in America, which has vaulted him to the Talk Radio Hall of Fame. > > I don’t care for his Trump approval, but he is very intelligent. He has a master’s collegiate degree in medical botany and anthropology at the University of Hawaii and a Ph.D. in nutritional botany from the University of California, Berkley. > > [Michael Savage - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage) Savage is a fear mongering, lying, extremist piece of shit. I don’t give a fuck what degrees he has or doesn’t have. Besides, so what if he has fancy degrees in plant science of all things? I’m not impressed. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/63 "2019-11-27T18:13:44Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > … America is losing social cohesion of community. > > America has a social issue. Uh huh. Meaning we took their “fuck your feelings” and gave it right back to the fuckers. Social cohesion. WTF is that anyway. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/64 "2019-11-27T18:14:46Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > “Social cohesion of community” . . . what the fuck _is_ that, and when did America have more of it??? > > CMC fnord! Yeah. What IS that. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/65 "2019-11-27T18:15:48Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Michael Moore, Cenk Ugyr whips up fellow progressives to hate people as well. Both sides have their crackpots. and here… we… go… That tired ass “both sides” shit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/66 "2019-11-27T18:18:08Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > A sense of belonging. > > A sense that Americans have a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith. > > Those things have been lost since the 1990s. Bullshit. I don’t trust liars and crooks and flag waving traitors. I don’t trust the far “alt” right (nazis). I don’t honor people who piss on me and tell me it’s raining. And I don’t see strength in an administration of back biters, bullies, liars, cowards, thieves, and draft dodging war mongers. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/67 "2019-11-27T18:21:11Z")
Remember when America had social cohesion of community? Collective Farm of Pepperidge is remembering! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/68 "2019-11-27T18:22:32Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > As a native-born Mainer, I can say: this is exactly what I expect out of a Yankees fan. As a Mets fan, I concur. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/69 "2019-11-27T18:24:33Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The people who bemoan the lack of a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith are trying to subvert Democracy in Kentucky. > > [Kentucky GOP moves to strip Democratic governor of his authority, accelerating trend of power grabs](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/26/1901875/-Kentucky-GOP-moves-to-strip-Democratic-governor-of-his-authority-accelerating-trend-of-power-grabs) It’s a corrupt and antiAmerican power grab. It’s gotten BAD when they don’t even bother to hide it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/70 "2019-11-27T18:27:13Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > And only in some places could you safely practice Roman Catholic Christianity. Heard of the “Know Nothings”? The first nasty, anti-immigrant campaigns were against Irish Catholics. Uh huh. Many (most???) of the worst and most horrifying persecutions were committed BY the Church. And that fairy tale about total and constant persecution in Rome forcing them to hid in Catacombs??? Pure bullshit. “Pagan” Rome by and large didn’t give a damn what god or gods you prayed to. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/71 "2019-11-27T18:28:23Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Remember when America had social cohesion of community? Collective Farm of Pepperidge is remembering! … member berries … ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/72 "2019-11-27T18:53:04Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > A sense of belonging. > > A sense that Americans have a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith. > > Those things have been lost since the 1990s. well what do you expect when the people who support our President think it’s okay to advocate for the murder of their fellow citizens for the heinous crime of having a different political viewpoint? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/73 "2019-11-27T19:48:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Yeah. What IS that. “Social cohesion of community” is when one segment of the community gets to dominate the others. And when they can’t dominate them, the feel that the bond of honor, trust, strength, faith is broken. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/74 "2019-11-27T19:55:15Z")
The people who bemoan the lack of a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith are threatening violence against [anyone who defeats them in election.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2019/11/27/aubrey-huff-guns-mlb-bernie-sanders/4317322002/) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/75 "2019-11-27T20:02:07Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Yeah. What IS that. There probably is such a thing, as in, say, if most of the neighbors will turn out to help clean up after the fire and put the burned-out up for a while, without stopping to ask whether the people who had the fire are of their religion, group heritage, or political opinions. (And in that sense, at any given time some neighborhoods have it, others don’t; and the country as a whole has never either been perfect about it, or lacked it entirely; though the overall balance does vary from time to time.) But what most people seem to mean by a lack of social cohesion is ‘I’ve discovered that a lot of people disagree with me and they keep saying so out loud!’ ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/76 "2019-11-27T20:36:31Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Lets talk about that bond of honor, trust, strength, faith. > > You are either not from these parts or willfully ignorant. > > Back in the bygone days when we had a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith, it was OK for cops to belong to the KKK. Lynching was OK. Blacks having to go to separate schools, use different bathrooms, use different water fountains…that was OK. > > Not as OK as the bygone days of bonds of honor, trust, strength and faith when the blacks could be sold as property and savagely beaten or killed if they misbehaved. You ever hear of [Emmett Till](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till)? But the conservatives eventially had to make allowances. They could _still_ have a world where gays had to hide for fear of being beaten of killed and have the cops not care so much, so long as it wasn’t on the front page. Because if gays complained to the cops, they would arrested. Ya know, for doing _gay-stuff_. (it was illegal!) They could have a world where non-white, non-Christian and non-heterosexuals could be treated as second class citizens. > > And women, barefoot and pregnant. Or, if in the workplace, OK to ogled, pawed at, harassed and told they could only keep their jobs by sucking the boss’s cock and get fired if they complained. All while working for less than a man would get. Woman were to be subservient. The office place was a bastion white men, Christian and Straight! It was good, because they a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith! > > And you could practice your faith in a catholic church where they didn’t have to hear all the talk about Priest’s molesting kids. They didn’t do that back then. Because Priests had bonds of honor, trust, strength and faith! > :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: > > The good old days weren’t nearly as good as some people remember. Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. That is what I can say. And I am a middle of the roader. ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/77 "2019-11-27T20:51:53Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > well what do you expect when the people who support our President think it’s okay to advocate for the murder of their fellow citizens for the heinous crime of having a different political viewpoint? He is not the only president or party that does that. The Democratic Party isn’t saints of any measure. Reagan, Bushes and their supporters all got threats and so for being a member of their respective parties. Let’s remember, before September 11, 2001, in the summer of 2001, Bush was called every name in the book. Let’s not go there. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/78 "2019-11-27T20:59:28Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. That is what I can say. And I am a middle of the roader. Trump and the Right has been deporting active duty soldiers that were promised citizenship in exchange for service. He just pardoned a war criminal who had every single member of his unit testify against him and now wants him at his campaign rallies. This idea that the left doesn’t support the military and the right does is complete bullshit. You should be ashamed for spreading it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/79 "2019-11-27T21:03:44Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. Nonsense. The real disrespect for the military these days is coming from the right wing, especially its highest echelons, where military disciplinary measures for war criminals are disregarded, military advisors to the administration (as well as any other military people who say anything the administration doesn’t want to hear) get publicly insulted and/or fired, and stupid-ass foreign “policy” ideas are acted upon with complete indifference to military objectives and priorities. And conservative supporters of the administration eagerly lap it all up. Oh, and there’s also that business of ignoring and denying climate change, a grave threat that [the military is taking very seriously](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/01/18/dod-majority-of-mission-critical-bases-face-climate-change-threats/) with very little support from the right-wing grifters and ignoramuses who try to pretend the whole phenomenon is some kind of liberal hoax. Your ideas, and the 77-year-old Michael Savage’s ideas, about left-wing “disrespect” for American servicepeople are antiquated anachronisms handed down from fifty-year-old stereotypes of long-haired hippies spitting at Vietnam vets. The people who are genuinely “dragging on” the military are the conservative ideologues who interfere with the military doing their jobs and then accuse them of being “Deep State” traitors when they complain. The idea that Michael Savage can support Trump while simultaneously whining that America is not being sufficiently appreciative of “people who put their life on the line” for her merely showcases once again Savage’s spectacular levels of hypocrisy. Or perhaps just plain stupidity, but no, you claim he’s a very intelligent person so I guess that can’t be it. :rolleyes: ETA: ninja’d by **Airbeck** but consider it supplementary corroboration. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/80 "2019-11-27T21:05:23Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You should be ashamed for spreading it. A guy has to make a living somehow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047.md?page=5)