# Michael Savage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047 "2019-11-27T03:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/81 "2019-11-27T21:18:04Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. Stop obfuscating. Race has a lot to do with it. To state otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. > [@](#): > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. This is a blatant lie. Have you not seen the links to reputable sites that show that conservatives have threatened liberals (not politicians, but liberals in general) with violence? The liberals have not backed down. We ARE willing to put _our_ lives on the line for America. You think conservatives show respect for people putting their lives on the line? Not if they have brown skin. [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/jose-segovia-benitez-ice-deport-veteran.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/jose-segovia-benitez-ice-deport-veteran.html) Trump, Savage’s hero, is still insulting McCain, a man who put his life on the line for America. > [@](#): > > They don’t have to serve in America’s wars In bygone days, as now, the people who fight in the wars are usually the poor and minorities. And when they get out? [President Trump’s Budget Hurts Veterans Through Extreme Cuts to Crucial Programs](https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/president-trump-s-budget-hurts-veterans-through-extreme-cuts-crucial-programs) The people who bemoan the lack of a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith keep wanting cut funding for everything that the returning vets need. Savage’s views on Vets with PTSD? > [@](#): > > On October 14, 2014, Savage criticized veteran sufferers of posttraumatic stress disorder, accusing them of “weakness”. According to Savage, “Everyone has depression in their life. But if the whole nation is told, ‘boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness.’ You know what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and liars in every phase of the government. That’s what you wind up with. It’s a weak, sick, nation. A weak, sick, broken nation. And you need men like me to save the country. You need men to stand up and say stop crying like a baby over everything … No wonder we’re being laughed at around the world. No wonder ISIS can defeat our military.” Yeah, THAT is showing respect for people who put their lives on the line for America. And when did Savage put HIS life on the line for America? ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/82 "2019-11-27T21:26:09Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Nonsense. The real disrespect for the military these days is coming from the right wing, especially its highest echelons, where military disciplinary measures for war criminals are disregarded, military advisors to the administration (as well as any other military people who say anything the administration doesn’t want to hear) get publicly insulted and/or fired, and stupid-ass foreign “policy” ideas are acted upon with complete indifference to military objectives and priorities. And conservative supporters of the administration eagerly lap it all up. > > Oh, and there’s also that business of ignoring and denying climate change, a grave threat that [the military is taking very seriously](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/01/18/dod-majority-of-mission-critical-bases-face-climate-change-threats/) with very little support from the right-wing grifters and ignoramuses who try to pretend the whole phenomenon is some kind of liberal hoax. > > Your ideas, and the 77-year-old Michael Savage’s ideas, about left-wing “disrespect” for American servicepeople are antiquated anachronisms handed down from fifty-year-old stereotypes of long-haired hippies spitting at Vietnam vets. The people who are genuinely “dragging on” the military are the conservative ideologues who interfere with the military doing their jobs and then accuse them of being “Deep State” traitors when they complain. > \*\*The idea that Michael Savage can support Trump while simultaneously whining that America is not being sufficiently appreciative of “people who put their life on the line” for her merely showcases once again Savage’s spectacular levels of hypocrisy. Or perhaps just plain stupidity, but no, you claim he’s a very intelligent person so I guess that can’t be it. :rolleyes: > \*\* > ETA: ninja’d by **Airbeck** but consider it supplementary corroboration. That’s Savage’s problem, not mine. Savage is a talk show host. I listen to him to hear a different point of view. I disagree with the left on a lot of issues, I disagree with the right on a lot of issues, and I have a mix of views. I am a middle of the roader. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/83 "2019-11-27T21:43:21Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. That is what I can say. And I am a middle of the roader. And there it is. Only “the right” respects the troops. As a veteran, like many here, I’d like to say, “Fuck yourself with a cactus.” When Republicans elected a man that publicly and repeatedly shat on American heroes, they lost all claim to the “valor” party. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/84 "2019-11-27T21:45:39Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > That’s Savage’s problem, not mine. Savage is a talk show host. > > I listen to him to hear a different point of view. I disagree with the left on a lot of issues, I disagree with the right on a lot of issues, and I have a mix of views. I am a middle of the roader. You are a lying sack of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/85 "2019-11-27T21:49:07Z")
Michael Savage is still ranting over the airwaves? Years ago I caught his act on nighttime radio and found him to be an obnoxious jackass. I don’t recall him expounding on homeopathy, which would have been the icing on the shit-cake. \*like antivax nuttery, endorsement of homeopathy is one of those woo fetishes that transcends political ideology. Find it easy to believe that the Medical Establishment, researchers, public health agencies and Big Pharma are all plotting to deny you (and themselves) the benefits of magic water? Then homeopathy makes lots of sense. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/86 "2019-11-27T21:51:54Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Stop obfuscating. Race has a lot to do with it. To state otherwise is to be willfully ignorant. > > This is a blatant lie. > > Have you not seen the links to reputable sites that show that conservatives have threatened liberals (not politicians, but liberals in general) with violence? The liberals have not backed down. We ARE willing to put _our_ lives on the line for America. > You think conservatives show respect for people putting their lives on the line? Not if they have brown skin. [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/jose-segovia-benitez-ice-deport-veteran.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/us/jose-segovia-benitez-ice-deport-veteran.html) > > Trump, Savage’s hero, is still insulting McCain, a man who put his life on the line for America. > > In bygone days, as now, the people who fight in the wars are usually the poor and minorities. And when they get out? > > [President Trump’s Budget Hurts Veterans Through Extreme Cuts to Crucial Programs](https://budget.house.gov/publications/report/president-trump-s-budget-hurts-veterans-through-extreme-cuts-crucial-programs) > > The people who bemoan the lack of a bond of honor, trust, strength, faith keep wanting cut funding for everything that the returning vets need. > > Savage’s views on Vets with PTSD? > Yeah, THAT is showing respect for people who put their lives on the line for America. > > And when did Savage put HIS life on the line for America? He is a commentator and author. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/87 "2019-11-27T22:46:04Z")
Oh, I get it, this is about that asshole Navy SEAL that Trump decided should not have to be held to Navy standards, right? Because “liberals” are angry that Trump, a man who knows NOTHING about anything related to every-day military matters, decided he knows better how to maintain discipline than his own commanders. That’s it, right? And Savage and his callers were probably bitching about people who “forget” that Trump is the Commander in Chief, right? Even though they know exactly what the ire is about. Just come out and say it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/88 "2019-11-27T22:46:06Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > That’s Savage’s problem, not mine. Savage is a talk show host. > > I listen to him to hear a different point of view. I disagree with the left on a lot of issues, I disagree with the right on a lot of issues, and I have a mix of views. I am a middle of the roader. I suspect that particular road is the Trans-Siberian Highway, as it passes through Novosibirsk… ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/89 "2019-11-27T23:04:43Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > That’s Savage’s problem, not mine. Savage is a talk show host. > > I listen to him to hear a different point of view. I disagree with the left on a lot of issues, I disagree with the right on a lot of issues, and I have a mix of views. I am a middle of the roader. So you keep saying, but not with much conviction. You’re obviously in love with this guy, but keep attempting to fake it with your “middle of the roader” bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/90 "2019-11-27T23:17:09Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > That’s Savage’s problem, not mine. Well, you made it your problem when you decided to praise his hypocritical and ill-informed blatherings as though they made any kind of sense. The fact that Savage is a peddler of hypocritical nonsense is Savage’s problem, but the fact that you’re buying his hypocritical nonsense is yours. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/91 "2019-11-27T23:37:21Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. Lost your dog whistle decoder ring? When the right talks about “social cohesion,” they mean “straight White cohesion in the middle class, and minority cohesion in ghettos.” > [@](#): > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. That is what I can say. And I am a middle of the roader. Yeah, shame on all those libs talking smack about the decorated war veteran who did his duty and testified publicly to Congress, despite unlawful instructions not to. And accusing him of being a double agent after he declared his faith that “here, right matters.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/92 "2019-11-28T00:41:27Z")
Well, as you’ve decided to sing the guy’s praise, it is INDEED your problem now. You’re not just listening to him “for a different point of view”, obviously. > [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. > > What Savage has a point on is that people don’t have respect for people who put their life on the line for America. They don’t have to serve in America’s wars. But they get dragged on and disrespected, and it usually comes from the left of the political spectrum than the right or center. That is what I can say. And I am a middle of the roader. Want to see Savage’s idea of “[respect](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/21/michael-savage-rails-against-ptsd-sufferers-no-won/)” for those who serve? > [@](#): > > “Everyone has depression in their life. But if the whole nation is told, ‘boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness.’ You know what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and liars in every phase of the government. That’s what you wind up with. It’s a weak, sick, nation. A weak, sick, broken nation. And you need men like me to save the country. You need men to stand up and say stop crying like a baby over everything … No wonder we’re being laughed at around the world. No wonder ISIS can defeat our military.” And note, I chose\* The Washington Times\*, not exactly a leftist-friendly publication. :dubious: Fuck him, and fuck those who support him. I’ve got veterans in my family and although I don’t know if they suffer from PTSD or not, I’d take issue with ANYONE who implied they were a bunch of weak crybabies. If thats how he feels, then why the fuck doesn’t he sign up? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/93 "2019-11-28T01:59:43Z")
Savage is an ignorant, rage-addicted bigot. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/94 "2019-11-28T02:42:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I suspect that particular road is the Trans-Siberian Highway, as it passes through Novosibirsk… \*“Michael Savage topic real winner! American dupes now at throats of others over race and military! Have no idea of clever maneuvers to create conflict and bile! Completely fooled by excellent English-language use and protestations of ‘middle of road’!” \* ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/95 "2019-11-28T05:22:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Nonsense. The real disrespect for the military these days is coming from the right wing, especially its highest echelons, where military disciplinary measures for war criminals are disregarded, military advisors to the administration (as well as any other military people who say anything the administration doesn’t want to hear) get publicly insulted and/or fired, and stupid-ass foreign “policy” ideas are acted upon with complete indifference to military objectives and priorities. And conservative supporters of the administration eagerly lap it all up. > > Oh, and there’s also that business of ignoring and denying climate change, a grave threat that [the military is taking very seriously](https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/01/18/dod-majority-of-mission-critical-bases-face-climate-change-threats/) with very little support from the right-wing grifters and ignoramuses who try to pretend the whole phenomenon is some kind of liberal hoax. > > Your ideas, and the 77-year-old Michael Savage’s ideas, about left-wing “disrespect” for American servicepeople are antiquated anachronisms handed down from fifty-year-old stereotypes of long-haired hippies spitting at Vietnam vets. The people who are genuinely “dragging on” the military are the conservative ideologues who interfere with the military doing their jobs and then accuse them of being “Deep State” traitors when they complain. > The idea that Michael Savage can support Trump while simultaneously whining that America is not being sufficiently appreciative of “people who put their life on the line” for her merely showcases once again Savage’s spectacular levels of hypocrisy. Or perhaps just plain stupidity, but no, you claim he’s a very intelligent person so I guess that can’t be it. :rolleyes: > > ETA: ninja’d by **Airbeck** but consider it supplementary corroboration. People like to forget that a lot Viet Nam vets came home and joined the anti-war movement. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/96 "2019-11-28T06:15:43Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Race has nothing to do with this. Stop projecting, because race has nothing to do with my point about _social cohesion and valor_. Supporting the right wing is supporting white supremacism, which has everything to do with race. The only “social cohesion” the right cares about is tyranny and death, and the only “valor” they care about the the “valor” of massacring the innocent. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/97 "2019-11-28T10:29:11Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > I think Savage is rude and nuts, but he makes good points about society. America is losing social cohesion of community. > > America has a social issue. Tell me if I have this straight. - Savage is a Trump-licker, but you aren’t. (You voted for Gary Johnson — what do I win?) - Savage is rude and nuts, but you listen to his talk show anyway. - Among all the lies, gibberish, and Trump-licking, Savage came up with one right-wing talking point that you think has merit. Did I get that right? Good. Now please answer the following question before we move on: _ **Why not mention the right-wing idea itself, or even put it up for debate.** _ Why instead make a thread about Savage? If I had to guess I’d go with: “Right-wing bloviating dolts often come up with right-wing talking points that I think have merit. Therefore they are NOT bloviating dolts, they’re GENIUSES. You libtard dolts are listening to the wrong talk shows!!!” What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/98 "2019-11-28T11:55:03Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Tell me if I have this straight. > > - Savage is a Trump-licker, but you aren’t. > > If I had to guess I’d go with: > “Right-wing bloviating dolts often come up with right-wing talking points that I think have merit. Therefore they are NOT bloviating dolts, they’re GENIUSES. You libtard dolts are listening to the wrong talk shows!!!” > What do I win? A puppy, homeopathically immunised against parvo and rabies. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/99 "2019-11-28T12:35:36Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Lets talk about that bond of honor, trust, strength, faith. Can we talk about how it probably sounds better in the original [German](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meine_Ehre_hei%C3%9Ft_Treue)? Always worry when people start talking about [honor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/100 "2019-11-28T13:08:29Z")
I’ve heard him a few times up here in New England. Smart guy? I don’t know if I’d go that far. Smart enough to keep a bigoted radio show running for all that time I guess. The one thing I remember from this asshole is that he had a feature where he’d open the police blotter and read all the entries with Hispanic sounding names with no further commentary. Just here’s a list of potential Hispanic criminals for us all to feel superior to. The guys a douche. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047.md?page=6)