# Michael Savage **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047 "2019-11-27T03:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yankees_1996_Champs)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/141 "2019-12-01T03:01:04Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Please give your experience being bullied. Not talking about people telling you that you’re full of shit or that your views are shit or you listen to people full of shit - but that you are personally attacked. > > Not people calling you bad names, but losing your job. Or being told you can’t buy a house in a certain neighborhood. Or not being allowed to vote. > > Because THAT shit happens today. And it ain’t the “leftist” boogeypeople doing it. No, I am talking about this smug leftism that is turning off a lot of voters. I am not a rightist. I am a middle of the roader. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/142 "2019-12-01T03:09:08Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > True. > > He is a economic nationalist, not a white nationalist. He is a Jewish conservative. Impossible. Everybody knows, Jews hate to argue. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/143 "2019-12-01T03:35:56Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > No, I am talking about this smug leftism that is turning off a lot of voters. > > I am not a rightist. > > I am a middle of the roader. So when you claimed that “leftists” bullied those who didn’t agree with them, you were, what? Lying? Using stories propagated by “rightists”? Talking out of your ass? Or are you just acting like a child, throwing a tantrum because “leftists” call you on your shit? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/144 "2019-12-01T06:11:24Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > No, I am talking about this smug leftism that is turning off a lot of voters. > > I am not a rightist. > > I am a middle of the roader. Fucking troll. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/145 "2019-12-01T06:59:56Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > No, I am talking about this smug leftism that is turning off a lot of voters. > > I am not a rightist. > > I am a middle of the roader. …on the Highway To Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/146 "2019-12-01T07:04:14Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > No, I am talking about this smug leftism that is turning off a lot of voters. Ah, the tone argument. If only people stopped complaining about being oppressed, tortured and murdered by bigots, then _surely_ the torturers and murderers would like them! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/147 "2019-12-01T07:39:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Does **Yankees 1996 Champs** remind anyone else of **DerekMichaels00** , or is it just me? Oh, he definitely doesn’t remind me of you. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/148 "2019-12-01T07:41:10Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Ah, the tone argument. If only people stopped complaining about being oppressed, tortured and murdered by bigots, then _surely_ the torturers and murderers would like them! Hits like button. Also, it appears to me that our pinstripe champ is more into his broadcasts about how awful the leftists are and veterans who suffer from PTSD than his stories about his origin from 20 years ago in San Fran as mentioned by **pool**. How do you think Limbaugh compares to Savage, **Yankees Champs**? Do you think Savage’s arguments that support Trump’s white supremacy are valid? (As pointed out by **Guest Starring: Id)** ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/149 "2019-12-01T08:36:45Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > He’s still around? I think I last heard him on the radio around 2002. He was on a local AM talk station that had Oreilly, Hannity, and Michael Reagan. I know he wrote some popular books and like a lot of the right (and former supposed liberals who turned hawk and anti-Muslim), went much more extreme after 9/11. I suppose it makes sense that he’s popular in the Trump era since he was popular back when rightwing/GOP sort of abandoned any of the limited government philosophy in favor of warmongering and racism. > [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > True. > > He is a economic nationalist, not a white nationalist. He is a Jewish conservative. Didn’t you say in the OP that he was intelligent? Y’know, the Nazis weren’t nazis because they were socialists. They were nazis because they were nationalists. ISTM that someone who misses that fact can’t be called “intelligent” by anyone who honestly expects his assertions to be taken seriously. [An Important Distinction](http://smbc-comics.com/comic/an-important-distinction) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/150 "2019-12-01T22:20:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Thanks, Irishman, but you’ll grant that does seem like a far cry from Jackmannii’s claim of “a continual refrain on this board.” > Again, an “annual” thread (a claim that in itself seems an overreach) doesn’t really constitute “a continual refrain on these boards.” > … > [@Jackmannii](#): > > So you’ve moved on from essentially denying that such views have been expressed here to nitpicking about what “continual refrain” means? So you’ve stopped beating your wife? Your misrepresentation of my posts fails to counter reality. The reality is that a claim was made (by you, as it happens) that “ranting about attention given to vets” was “a continual refrain on this board”; I called that claim false. You posted links to five posts in which, in your view, “ranting about attention given to vets” occurred. I pointed out that this failed to support a claim of “continual” ranting of the sort you alleged. If you want to attempt to define “continual refrain” as meaning “five posts in the two decades this board has existed (more or less)”, then have at it. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > The bottom line is that Dopers who get pissy about attention and respect given to members of the military, past and present are engaging in a dumb and politically self-destructive tactic. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/151 "2019-12-02T07:29:18Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Rather than a “stereotype”, the thing about hippies spitting at Vietnam vets falls entirely (or almost entirely) into the realm of urban legend. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I agree that the “spitting” behavior pattern seems to have been tremendously exaggerated from a very few (if any) actual occurrences, but it nonetheless became a stereotypical characteristic attributed to counterculture hippies. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > On the other hand, repeatedly voiced disgust with the idea of honoring military veterans’ service and disdaining support for the military in general is a feature (excuse me, a bug) of many leftists (ranting about attention given to vets is a continual refrain on this board). I join various other posters in being surprised by this accusation, not having noticed such rants. Having now looked at the five threads you linked to, two of which are over ten years old, I think they don’t really support your claim very well. A small number of posters might be outright anti-soldier, but ISTM that what most of the people making the complaints in your linked threads are complaining about is **unthinkingly fetishizing and idolizing** the military, not simply honoring, supporting and attending to it. > [@Yankees 1996 Champs](#): > > I listen to Savage to hear a different viewpoint. Serious question: Can’t you manage to find an ideologically “different viewpoint” from your own that **isn’t** completely saturated with hatefulness, racism and lies, not to mention laughably anti-scientific gullibility about stuff like homeopathic medicine? Being open to trying different cuisines does not require you to be willing to eat shit straight out of the toilet. Similarly, seeking different viewpoints about politics and culture doesn’t require you to voluntarily subject yourself to the disordered rantings of bigots and fools. (Although, to be fair, the disordered rantings of bigots and fools are a very large part of what’s on offer these days among rightwing viewpoints about politics and culture.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047/152 "2019-12-02T21:01:01Z")
> [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > I am a damn moderate because the far left and far right sicken me. And yet you come here to champion a right wing bigot and sing his praises. > [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > The far left likes to bully those who will not submit to their viewpoint. This is an idiotic comment. Trump started a chant of ‘lock her up’ during a Presidential Debate. He got a lot of morons in the crowd to join in. While the debate was happening! There was video. Perhaps you saw it? THAT isn’t bullying? > [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > Leftists don’t own the world. ‘Leftists’ in this country are being threatened with actual gun violence. They have driven cars at us while we engage in our right to protest. Some of us have died. We are considered an enemy. In fact, the Right considers us MORE of an enemy than Russia. They want us deported. They want us imprisoned. They want us _shot_. And _we’re_ bullies? Perhaps you are unclear as to that word’s meaning? > [@Yankees\_1996\_Champs](#): > > I don’t agree with all of his views, but he has the right to speak. This is America. Of course he has the right to speak. I do not agree with what he says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it. But I _WILL_ call him out for being the lying-ass hypocrite, bigot and bully that he is. Freedom of Speech does not mean your speech will go unchallenged. Kinda means the opposite. The other guy gets to speak too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-savage/844047.md?page=7)