# Micheal Moore booed at Oscars **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 24, 2003, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718 "2003-03-24T05:18:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/101 "2003-03-25T08:04:47Z")
Yes, I was wrong about the 10 seconds part. It seemed shorter than what it was to me at the time, and I’ll gladly admit that he went longer. Honest mistake. I was actually going to mention that when I posted the MP3, and forgot. In any event, the characterization that he was ‘booed off the stage’ I guess depends on how you define it. The boos got louder as he kept going, they cued the music over his speech, and he had to shout to get the last part out. But I’ll admit my belief that he was ‘booed off the stage’ was partly based on my recollection that he wasn’t given his full 45 seconds. It looks like he was. On the other hand, YOU said that ‘there was just a few people booing loudly’. It was a lot more than that. On the other hand, [Roger Ebert’s account of the post-Oscar media event](http://www.suntimes.com/output/eb-feature/cst-ftr-ebert24.html) says this: > [@](#): > > But Moore arrived intact in the backstage press room. “Don’t report there was a split decision in the house just because five loud people booed,” Moore lectured the press, saying the house was completely behind him. This is the kind of accuracy we’ve come to expect from Michael Moore. (BTW, in the article Ebert also says Moore got his full 45 seconds) ---
**Author:** ![CyberPundit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CyberPundit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyberPundit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/102 "2003-03-25T08:33:39Z")
It was certainly much more than 5. But it could have been 30 or 40 people booing loudly. In comparision to the size of the audience I would say that is “few” Like I said I didn’t see too many people booing when the camera showed the audience. And though it isn’t clear because of the music there seems to be quite a bit of clapping right at the end. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/103 "2003-03-25T10:33:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > But I’ll admit my belief that he was ‘booed off the stage’ was partly based on my recollection that he wasn’t given his full 45 seconds. It looks like he was. He actually got more. From the time that he started speaking to the time the music came up was ~1min 7 sec.'s. He finished his speech at ~1min 09secs. The two people at the ceremony who commented on be flashed time where Best Actor and Best Orig. Screenplay they both mention being told time was up between 1min 5 and 1min 10. Moore was the only person who was cut off by music. Well the Best Actor was at over 2 min’s but he ignored it. He did get more than his time though. You also fail to comment on the standing ovation that a lot of people gave him when he won and the round of applause he received when he walked off the stage as the booing was subsiding. \*Timings taken from a repeat that was shown last night. \* ---
**Author:** ![bo989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@bo989](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bo989)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/104 "2003-03-25T10:52:23Z")
Though I can’t post a link to it for copyright reasons, you should all download the video of the speech from Kazaa. The fact is that most of the audience was neither clapping or booing. ---
**Author:** ![bo989](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9c0ed/32.png) [@bo989](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bo989)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/105 "2003-03-25T10:57:56Z")
A further analysis of the audience shots reveals the following: People clapping: 4 People booing: 1 Of course this is by no means a rigorous scientific test, but does give some credence to the claim that clapping may simply be harder to hear than booing. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/106 "2003-03-25T12:41:08Z")
Regarding MM and his right to freedom of speech… As Americans, we all have freedom of speech. I am allowed to call every man I see Sally. I am entitled to tell people waiting in line for a movie how it ends. It is perfectly legal for me to tell someone just how UGLY there child is. Just because we HAVE the right, does not mean we will use it responsibly. I too support his right to dissent. I just wish he would have the grace to accept his award and move on, saving invectives for the President to a more appropriate forum. ---
**Author:** ![MSU\_1978](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@MSU\_1978](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MSU_1978)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/107 "2003-03-25T12:59:32Z")
I find it strange that Moore is being panned for speaking his mind, yet Roman Polanski, who has been evading justice for 26 years on a statutory rape case, was applauded wildly for winning best director. Moore was right- we had a fictitious election that gave us a phony president. Now we claim to be fighting a war for Iraqi freedom, yet at the same time criticize an American for exercising his right to dissent. How hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/108 "2003-03-25T13:10:29Z")
**Sam** It appears I have overestimated the degree of class with which you are possessed. Rather a pity. And your lame contention that you were only insulting a celebrity, when your words clearly state otherwise, is the kind of argument I used to scrape off my shoe before I went into the house. To impugn the patriotism of “anti-war” people is pure Nixon, and I am frankly surprised to see you stoop to such. I thought better of you. I was wrong. Perhaps the stress of this shitstorm has gotten to you, and later you will think better of it. I hope so. Otherwise, you will soon be reduced to posting cites from G. Gordon Liddy about hairy peaceniks spitting on returning soldiers. > [@](#): > > …will be the day we’re having a snowball fight in Hell. When you get there, wait for me. I might be a while. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/109 "2003-03-25T13:49:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cuckoorex \* > \*\*Who exactly was the ‘we’ that Moore was referring to when he made his little rant…? I sure as hell hope he wasn’t referring to the American people in general, because as much as he railed against a ‘fictitious election’ and a ‘fictitious president’, I sure don’t remember electing _him_ to speak for me… \*\* I took ‘we’ to mean all the other nominees for best documentary that he had invited onstage with him. I’m surprised that no one has focused on this aspect of the whole affair. Did Moore get the other nominees to sign off on his remarks beforehand, or did Moore simply annoint himself their spokesman? If it’s the latter as I suspect, then it makes Moore’s remarks even more inappropriate. Does anyone have any information about this? Were the other nominees aware of what was going to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/110 "2003-03-25T13:56:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bnorton \* > \*\*I took ‘we’ to mean all the other nominees for best documentary that he had invited onstage with him. I’m surprised that no one has focused on this aspect of the whole affair. Did Moore get the other nominees to sign off on his remarks beforehand, or did Moore simply annoint himself their spokesman? If it’s the latter as I suspect, then it makes Moore’s remarks even more inappropriate. > > Does anyone have any information about this? Were the other nominees aware of what was going to happen? \*\* According to [this](http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/24/1048354548057.html), which **gex gex** posted in the Pit thread: > [@](#): > > On his way up to the stage, he tapped his fellow documentary nominees and asked them to join him on stage for what he explained would be an “anti-Bush” speech. Once there, he said he was speaking for all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Kix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e19adc/32.png) [@Kix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kix)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/111 "2003-03-25T16:09:38Z")
Who gives a rats ass when an actor at the oscars goes up and ries out and gives the same kind of bla bla bla that has been done to death. “I wanna than k my prducer my manager my lawyer and my mom etc etc etc” that is the safe way to go in life… To use your 1.15 minutes of fame to say what you believe (EVEN IF ITS NOT POPULAR) takes GUTS. U\>S\>A\> is suposedly a free contry (well it was before the Patriot Act of 2001). So If Moore wants to appear as the biggest idiot on earth he is entitled to it. If he wants to support the war and the US troops he is entitled to it, If he wants to defect grab a gun and help Saddam that is his right. Man you have too much time on your hands to be concerned with Mr. Moore ramblings about the war and of the 2000 election. He just spoke his mind if you agree perfect if you dont perfect now go on with your lives… I justt wonder If he had been more “inteligent and classy”, what would have happened and example: As Mr Bush where the hell is bin laden? he promised in 2001 to get him or other more incendiary topics (deficit and resecion 4 example… anyways , Just one more thing This is not a war on Iraq. Is an INVASION, because no formal declaration of war has been issued no UN permision was given, so this is no WAR is an Invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Darkrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@Darkrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkrabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/112 "2003-03-25T17:22:46Z")
According to a witness at the event, the booing was “overwhelming”; the only applause was coming from the front of the seating where the microphones could pick it up. Basically, he was booed off stage. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/113 "2003-03-25T18:05:08Z")
Okay, watched it again. Watched it about 5 times. And I can say that he was definitely NOT “booed off the stage”, by any stretch of the imagination. If you WATCH, as opposed to listening, you will see that pretty much nobody in camera range was booing, they were nearly all smiling, and many were clapping. If you watch and listen, you see and hear that the booing was coming from a very small percentage of the people in the theatre, and that even they weren’t sustaining it. I’d say the crowd was mostly with him, it’s just that the portion that wasn’t was noisy about it. Remember, it all started with a standing ovation, and I feel pretty sure that wasn’t merely for the film. It’s hard to argue that the film commmunity is anything but overwhelmingly liberal. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/114 "2003-03-25T18:09:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bo989 \* > \*\* > The following came from one of the bank employees… > “You do a CD and we’ll **hand you a gun** ” > “Once you do the background check and everything, it’s yours **to go** ” > “**We have a vault (in) which at all times we keep at least 500 firearms**” > “…we are a licensed **firearm dealer** ” > > So you are either misinformed or are attempting to purposely \*\* At one time I was an NRA member, and I recieved many such offers in the mail. Every one of them stated that you would need to pick up your gun at a licensed gun dealer, after the usual checks, etc. I saw none that also claimed to BE a gun dealer. However, that said, there is no reason why a Bank can’t be both, and if they are both a licensed gun dealer, you could do the entire transaction there. However, what’s the point? If they are a gun dealer, and you give them money, and you “check out” properly, why shouldn’t they hand you your weapon? I know out in the “Big City” we are used to most businesses being single purpose, but there is nothing wrong with combining them. There is a Wells Fargo Bank inside my local Safeway- I can cash my paycheck, get a loan, and buy a sixpack and my groceries all in the same stop. So?😕 ---
**Author:** ![DrLizardo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DrLizardo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrLizardo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/115 "2003-03-25T18:10:19Z")
It’s been interesting reading this thread without having seen the footage. Now I’ve seen it and I was quite surprised. Let me state for the record that I think Moore is an ass, and I DO NOT agree with his remarks. Even given that admitted bias, I wouldn’t say he was “booed offstage” to my perception. There were both claps and booes. Neither seemed overwhelming to me and certainly didn’t drown him out. The orchestra is what finally cut him off, not the jeers, cheers, booes or other audience feedback. To be purely logical here, one could also claim he was “cheered offstage” as both applause and booing were going on as he left and neither seemed to “dominate” the other. Of course, I think he was neither. I think he ran out his time (as amply cited above) and they struck up the band… Finis. FYI, my definition of “booed offstage” is that you were drowned out and could not make yourself heard. Watch Amateur Night on Showtime at the Apollo for (usually) several good examples of this. Yeah, they turn on a siren and send out the hook, but only after you’re already “done”… Bottom line re: whether what he said was “proper”… He had the right to say it, and I have the right to think he was a jackass for doing so at an inappropriate time and place. No more or less to it than that. And yes, I’d feel the same way if a conservative had got up there and ranted about their war views in a similarly partisan way. ---
**Author:** ![jeel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@jeel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeel)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/116 "2003-03-25T20:13:03Z")
I have to disagree with **Kix** on the point that Michael Moore had GUTS in stating his views in the forum of the Oscars. I’d like to see Moore say the same things to a crowd of soldiers based in Kuwait, then I’d say it takes GUTS. Using his 1.15 minutes of fame to lash out against the war meant pretty much nothing coming from him. Pretty much everybody knows what side of the political fence he stands on. I totally respect his freedom to use his time to say what he wanted, but I was disappointed that there was not more coverage of the audience during his little tyrade. Unfortunately, it was pretty hard to discern what celebs were clapping and cheering and which ones were booing. If the audience had been shown a little more during Moores time, the American public could have practiced their rights to boycott or support the celebs of their choice based on their support for MM. ---
**Author:** ![BDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@BDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDS)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/117 "2003-03-25T22:05:53Z")
Sam’s argument that opposing the war will cost American lives is an example of a fallacy known as the “false dilema”. The dilema is “false” because Sam presents only two options: war with full support of the American public, or the same war with opposition from the public. While it may certainly be true that IF the war continues to be prosecuted in the exact same way regardless of public opinion, protests will give Iraqis hope and prolong the war, the IF is no certainty. If, for example, the war became so wildly unpopular that America pulled out of Iraq, the result would be quite different. Further, the long-term consequences of opposing unilateral action are difficult to determine, and may very well save billions of lives (for all Sam knows). ---
**Author:** ![BDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3e96dc/32.png) [@BDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BDS)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/118 "2003-03-25T22:07:09Z")
By the way, the “false dilema” argument is used repeatedly by George W. Bush, when he says “you are either with us or against us.” ---
**Author:** ![phamton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ec9cab/32.png) [@phamton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phamton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/119 "2003-03-26T02:25:12Z")
His documentary was far from a documentary. Some “facts” he portrayed have been debunked at: [http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth\_About\_Bowling.html](http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html) > [@](#): > > The point is not that Bowling is unfair, or that its conclusions are incorrect. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive. A viewer cannot count upon any aspect of it, even when the viewer believes he is seeing video of an event occurring or a person speaking. > > The dominant theme in Bowling (and certainly the theme that has attracted most reviewers) is that NRA is callous toward slayings. The theme begins early in the film, and forms its ending, as Moore confronts Heston, asserting that he keeps going to the scene of tragedies to hold defiant rallies. > > In order to make this theme fit the facts, however, Bowling repeatedly distorts the evidence. > > Bowling portrays this with the following sequence: > > Weeping children outside Columbine, explaining how near they had come to death and how their friends had just been murdered before their eyes; > > Cut to Charlton Heston holding a musket over his head and happily proclaiming “I have only five words for you: ‘from my cold, dead, hands’” to a cheering NRA crowd. > > Cut to billboard advertising the meeting, while Moore in voiceover intones “Just ten days after the Columbine killings, despite the pleas of a community in mourning, Charlton Heston came to Denver and held a large pro-gun rally for the National Rifle Association;” > > Cut to Heston (supposedly) continuing speech… “I have a message from the Mayor, Mr. Wellington West, the Mayor of Denver. He sent me this; it says ‘don’t come here. We don’t want you here.’ I say to the Mayor this is our country, as Americans we’re free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don’t come here? We’re already here.” > > The portrayal is one of Heston and NRA arrogantly holding a protest rally in response to the deaths – or, as one reviewer put it, “it seemed that Charlton Heston and others rushed to Littleton to hold rallies and demonstrations directly after the tragedy.” [italics added]. Moore successfully causes viewers to reach this conclusion. It is in fact false. > _Fact:_ The Denver event was not a demonstration relating to Columbine, but an annual meeting, whose place and date had been fixed years in advance. > _Fact:_ At Denver, the NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members’ meeting; that could not be cancelled because corporate law required that it be held. > _Fact:_ Heston’s “cold dead hands” speech, which leads off Moore’s depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was a response to his being given the musket, a collector’s piece, at that annual meeting. Bowling leads off with this speech, and then splices in footage which was taken in Denver and refers to Denver, to create the impression that the entire clip was taken at the Denver event. > > _Fact:_ When Bowling continues on to the speech which Heston did give in Denver, it carefully edits it to change its theme. > > Moore has actually taken audio of seven sentences, from five different parts of the speech, and a section given in a different speech entirely, and spliced them together, to create a speech that was never given. Each edit is cleverly covered by inserting a still or video footage for a few seconds. > > First, right after the weeping victims, Moore puts on Heston’s “I have only five words for you . . . cold dead hands” statement, making it seem directed at them. As noted above, it’s actually a thank-you speech given a year later to a meeting in North Carolina. > > Moore then has an interlude – a visual of a billboard and his narration. The interlude is vital. He can’t cut directly to Heston’s real Denver speech. If he did that, you might ask why Heston in mid-speech changed from a purple tie and lavender shirt to a white shirt and red tie. Or why the background draperies went from maroon to blue. Moore has to separate the two segments of this supposed speech to keep the viewer from noticing. > > Moore then goes to show Heston speaking in Denver. His second edit (covered by splicing in a pan shot of the crowd at the meeting, while Heston’s voice continues) deletes Heston’s announcement that NRA has in fact cancelled most of its meeting: > > “As you know, we’ve cancelled the festivities, the fellowship we normally enjoy at our annual gatherings. This decision has perplexed a few and inconvenienced thousands. As your president, I apologize for that.” > > Moore has to take that out – it would blow his entire theme. Moore then cuts to Heston noting that Denver’s mayor asked NRA not to come, and shows Heston replying “I said to the Mayor: Don’t come here? We’re already here!” as if in defiance. > > Actually, Moore put an edit right in the middle of the first sentence! Heston was actually saying (with reference Heston’s own WWII vet status) “I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I’ve run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing.” > > Moore cuts it after “I said to the Mayor” and attaches a sentence from the end of the next paragraph: “As Americans, we’re free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.” It thus becomes an arrogant “I said to the Mayor: as American’s we’re free to travel wherever we want in our broad land.” He hides the deletion by cutting to footage of protestors and a still photo of the Mayor as Heston says “I said to the mayor,” cutting back to Heston’s face at “As Americans.” > > Moore has Heston then triumphantly announce “Don’t come here? We’re already here!” Actually, that sentence is clipped from a segment five paragraphs farther on in the speech. Again, Moore uses an editing trick to cover the doctoring. As Heston speaks, the video switches momentarily to a pan of the crowd, then back to Heston; the pan shot covers the doctoring. > > What Heston actually is saying in “We’re already here” was not the implied defiance, but rather this: > > "NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine. > > Don’t come here? We’re already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable. > > So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy." > > Bowling continues its theme by juxtaposing another Heston speech with a school shooting at Mt. Morris, MI, just north of Flint, making the claim that right after the shooting, NRA came to the locale to stage a defiant rally. In Moore’s words, “Just as he did after the Columbine shooting, Charlton Heston showed up in Flint, to have a big pro-gun rally.” > > _Fact:_ Heston’s speech was given at a “get out the vote” rally in Flint, which rally was held when elections rolled around some eight months after the shooting. > > _Fact:_ Moore should remember. On the same day, Moore himself was hosting a similar rally in Flint, for the Green Party. > > **Shooting at Buell Elementary School in Michigan.** Bowling depicts the juvenile shooter as a sympathetic youngster who just found a gun in his uncle’s house and took it to school. “No one knew why the little boy wanted to shoot the little girl.” > _Fact:_ The little boy was the class bully, already suspended from school for stabbing another kid with a pencil. Since the incident, he has stabbed another child with a knife. (Sources for all data are given at the end of this section). > _Fact:_ The uncle’s house was the neighborhood crack-house. The uncle (together with the shooter’s father, then serving a prison term for theft and cocaine possession, and his aunt and maternal grandmother) earned their living off drug dealing. The gun was stolen by one of the uncle’s customers and purchased by him in exchange for drugs. There is lots more on this page with more possible debunkings but this post is long enough. Each of these “facts” has a link (for instance to the exact Charleston Heston speech) At least food for thought. There is also a link for those who question this debunking. ---
**Author:** ![errata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/839c29/32.png) [@errata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/errata)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718/120 "2003-03-26T03:56:15Z")
Could we stay on topic here? Bowling for Columbine has already been discussed here and can be discussed in a new thread if you want. This is about his speech at the Oscars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/micheal-moore-booed-at-oscars/163718.md?page=7)