# Michelle Bachman again (maybe there should be a sticky) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774 "2009-04-29T21:21:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/61 "2009-04-30T19:04:16Z")
> [@Euphonious Polemic](#): > > I’d say she’d have to call a national press conference for “matters of urgent national security”, and then on live TV to a huge audience, appear in a suit made entirely of Saran Wrap, and call upon all right minded Americans to throw off the yolk of the evil Lizard People who are currently running the world. Don’t say things like this: you’re just egging her on. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/62 "2009-04-30T19:10:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Is there still a push to replace his face on the dime with Reagan’s? He won’t allow it. Even dead, [Roosevelt](http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_p5.html) was so badass, he’d come back as a zombie armed with an AK-47 just to stop it. And how exactly would you deal with zombie Roosevelt with an AK-47 ? By singing _Run to the Hills_. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/63 "2009-04-30T19:18:23Z")
> [@chique](#): > > **DISCLAIMER: This is why discussions regarding economics go completely over my head.** > > So…by this logic, we should be on our knees thanking Bush for the massive spending on the Iraq war? > > I’m not trying to start a fight - this is a serious question. Perhaps because in WWII, we hyper-industrialized and created lots of war stuff, stuff that wasn’t there before. And that stuff was built by formerly unemployed people. And after the war, the factories that used to make war stuff made cars and refrigerators. Plus, there was the Marshall Plan, which meant we sold stuff to Europe, too. In Bush’s wars, we had a whole lot of soldiers, sailors, etc. sitting around not playing war … and then we shipped them off to war in far-away places, which is a very expensive thing to do and it just generally drained our federal coffers. No new jobs, just Treasury hemorrhaging. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/64 "2009-04-30T19:27:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m curious. Just HOW batshit crazy would Bachman have to get before rank and file Republicans spoke up and disowned her? The only thing that can get you ostracized by Republicans lately is to question the Republican leadership. Since no one knows who is leading the Republicans these days, that might be hard to do. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/65 "2009-04-30T19:37:04Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Admit it, **Hentor** , would you be comfortable with a modern-day NRA that kept prices artificially high, propped up big firms at the expense of small business and employed poorly planned but ruthlessly enforced regulation to keep things going? How would this work in our economy? What a cartoonish and selective description of the New Deal. I won’t engage in hypotheticals about whether or not I’d like something like that. It’s out of a fantasy world and not germane to this or any other discussion of economic policy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/66 "2009-04-30T19:38:26Z")
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there, **Spiff**. We weren’t already on a war footing going into WWII - we had to build nearly all our tanks and planes and ships from scratch. All the fancy materiel we’re shipping out to Iraq and Afghanistan was already bought and paid for, except, apparently, for body armor, which probably just means that body armor is made in a safe Congressional district. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/67 "2009-04-30T19:45:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And how exactly would you deal with zombie Roosevelt with an AK-47 ? Depends on if zombification cured his polio or not. He couldn’t roll that antique wheelchair and shoot at the same time, now could he? ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/68 "2009-04-30T19:50:32Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > He won’t allow it. Even dead, [Roosevelt](http://www.cracked.com/article_15895_p5.html) was so badass, he’d come back as a zombie armed with an AK-47 just to stop it. And how exactly would you deal with zombie Roosevelt with an AK-47 ? > By singing _Run to the Hills_. Exactly. He’s so badass, he had to be two different presidents just to contain that much badassery. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/69 "2009-04-30T20:10:52Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Admit it, **Hentor** , would you be comfortable with a modern-day NRA that kept prices artificially high, propped up big firms at the expense of small business and employed poorly planned but ruthlessly enforced regulation to keep things going? How would this work in our economy? Right now, most consumer prices are artificially low. They don’t allow for the environmental and health damage done during extraction/harvest/manufacture. While this primarily applies to imports, it also applies to many locally manufactured/grown products. For example, poultry is cheap, in large part because huge poultry factories generate an enormous amount of chicken shit. This chicken shit travels via rain run-off into the local streams, which feed into the local rivers, which eventually feed into large bodies of water such as the ocean. It causes alge bloom, which kills off the fish and shellfish. But as consumers, we don’t pay the cost of cleaning up the run-off water, and in fact would come close to riot if poultry prices went up to what they actually cost when you take that clean-up into account. Economies of scale are killing us. It’s not just a matter of corporations getting rich. As consumers, we in the first world are busy destroying that which we buy so cheaply, because we can always get it somewhere else. Except that we’re not doing it sustainably, and frankly I don’t see any prospect of people wising up before collapse. Our attitudes have too strong a sense of entitlement and lack of interest in the inter-related web that makes our consumption possible. Sorry, I’ve been reading Jared Diamond’s [Collapse](http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Fail-Succeed/dp/0143036556/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241122074&sr=8-1), and am not feeling terribly optimistic about our chances. Not sure why I care, because I am not closely connected by either emotion or blood to anyone under the age of 45 or so, but I do. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/70 "2009-04-30T20:12:54Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > What a cartoonish and selective description of the New Deal. I won’t engage in hypotheticals about whether or not I’d like something like that. It’s out of a fantasy world and not germane to this or any other discussion of economic policy. No - it is what the NRA did - and since the NRA was the most important aspect of the New Deal, intended to regulate the entire economy (at least before it was found to be unconstitutional), looking at it isn’t hypothetical, it is historical analysis. The defeat of the NRA in the Supreme Court was the final straw that drove Roosevelt to his court-packing plan. I’m guessing you don’t support his actions there either - it’s not going too far out on a limb to guess that. What I offered wasn’t a cartoonish and selective description of the New Deal. I have already noted that the monetary and banking reforms worked well. But there were aspects of the New Deal that didn’t work well at the time and wouldn’t be copied today by any sane politician - and it isn’t Roosevelt bashing to observe that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/71 "2009-04-30T23:44:18Z")
Well, I for one am quite tired of it! Seems we can’t have any conversation about deranged Congresshags without it degenerating into \*another \*endless round of Roosevelt-bashing! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/72 "2009-04-30T23:45:53Z")
(Like deja voodoo all over again!) Dup del. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/73 "2009-04-30T23:56:27Z")
Its the RDS (Roosevelt derangement syndrome), the greatest outbreak of the disease since the 1940’s ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/74 "2009-05-01T00:44:39Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Then how was it possible to replace the [collapsed I-35W bridge in Minnesota](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge) in less than 14 months from the date of the disaster? They had another one in stock. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/75 "2009-05-01T14:53:33Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Its the RDS (Roosevelt derangement syndrome), the greatest outbreak of the disease since the 1940’s People were afraid of his vengeful spirit up until the apotheosis of Ronald Reagan, at which point they found that with enough genuflection toward The Gipper they would be protected from The Ghost of Old Wheelie. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/76 "2009-05-01T15:31:34Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > People were afraid of his vengeful spirit up until the apotheosis of Ronald Reagan, at which point they found that with enough genuflection toward The Gipper they would be protected from The Ghost of Old Wheelie. > > -Joe But Nostrasladamus said “when the black man with the funny name reaches the throne of the big northern country, the sound of rusty wheels will be heard again” or some such, i think, or not. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/77 "2009-05-01T15:38:09Z")
Oh, crap, this thread is going to turn into a quatrain wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/78 "2009-05-01T16:05:44Z")
Does this kind of stupid turn home schooling into child abuse? ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/79 "2009-05-01T16:11:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, crap, this thread is going to turn into a quatrain wreck. No one could have predicted… ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774/80 "2009-05-01T16:24:53Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m curious. Just HOW batshit crazy would Bachman have to get before rank and file Republicans spoke up and disowned her? I think the Bachman obsession on these boards is attributable to the fact that some of our more vocal members come from her neck of the woods. I think too that some of her comments over the years might have been misconstrued or deliberately placed int he worst possible light. This has been discussed in other threads. In this case, she was wrong, and she really has no excuse for what she said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachman-again-maybe-there-should-be-a-sticky/494774.md?page=5)