# Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul: How would they spin post Aug 2? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 27, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486 "2011-07-27T14:46:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/21 "2011-07-30T21:03:48Z")
Is it up to everyone to decide whether shooting someone in the face is murder too? ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/22 "2011-07-31T10:40:37Z")
Considering that the Dems have already agreed to cuts with no tax increases (remember when all you guys INSITED Obama was going to get his tax increases a couple weeks ago?) the GOP can pretty much declare victory and go home. But let’s make Obama sweat it out until Tuesday… it just makes him look more incompetent. For Paul and Bachmann, neither of these guys will be the eventual nominee. It’s a lot easier to stick to your guns when you have nowhere to go. The real fight for the soul of the GOP will be between Romney and Perry. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/23 "2011-07-31T10:47:03Z")
Yeah awesome, let’s make him sweat! Fuck the US credit rating, as long as Obama is uncomfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/24 "2011-07-31T13:10:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yeah awesome, let’s make him sweat! Fuck the US credit rating, as long as Obama is uncomfortable. I mean, you’re right. The US Credit rating might go from AAA to (GASP) AA. Frankly, I wonder how it is we have AAA with a Debt that exceeds GDP and a president who thinks it will be “progress” if we get the deficit down to a “mere” 600 billion a year. If you guys were so upset about the credit rating, you’d repeal Obamination-Care, get behind serious entitlement reform, and actually shrink the size of government. If making Obama sweat is the only way to get these things done, make him sweat. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/25 "2011-07-31T13:25:41Z")
Going from AAA to AA would actually be a pretty huge deal. It’d affect the world markets. It’d cause a crisis in investing. It would increase the cost of servicing our debt, which would go towards creating a larger deficit. Creditors don’t really care that our debt exceeds our GDP (which is arbitrary anyway. Our debt is over 4 times our quarterly gdp! OMG! SKY FALLING! Or it’s only 1/10th of our decadal GDP, so we’re alright, that’s only 10%!) or any of that other bullshit. They care that we pay our debt on time. And we’ve done that with flying colors except for this short sighted, selfish, and quite frankly childish and dickish attempt by the Republicans to hold the country hostage over it. The idea that your guys can wreck our credit rating on purpose when the US has had a perfect credit record and somehow blame the democrats just shows how absurdly deep your partisan blinding goes. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/26 "2011-07-31T13:39:32Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Going from AAA to AA would actually be a pretty huge deal. It’d affect the world markets. It’d cause a crisis in investing. It would increase the cost of servicing our debt, which would go towards creating a larger deficit. > > Creditors don’t really care that our debt exceeds our GDP (which is arbitrary anyway. Our debt is over 4 times our quarterly gdp! OMG! SKY FALLING! Or it’s only 1/10th of our decadal GDP, so we’re alright, that’s only 10%!) or any of that other bullshit. They care that we pay our debt on time. And we’ve done that with flying colors except for this short sighted, selfish, and quite frankly childish and dickish attempt by the Republicans to hold the country hostage over it. > > The idea that your guys can wreck our credit rating on purpose when the US has had a perfect credit record and somehow blame the democrats just shows how absurdly deep your partisan blinding goes. Only guys I see saying “the sky is falling” is you fools. The government is spending money it doesn’t have. It has to do what every family and every business has done, get expenditures under control. Frankly, I don’t care all that much what the “Creditors” think. They are the ones who were in bed with Dodd and Frank and the rest of them and got us into this mess by insisting we had to make loans based on food stamps. A line in the sand has been drawn on this issue. FINALLY. Praise Jay-a-zus. No more spending a trillion dollars on payoffs to your union goon buddies on the backs of the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/27 "2011-07-31T13:44:10Z")
This isn’t some honorable fight to reduce spending. This is racking up a bill on a credit card and then refusing to pay it off. That’s a shitty weasel thing to do and it’s pathetic that you embrace this as some sort of honorable conservative principle. The place to fight this stuff is in the budget proposals and the appropriations bills. Once they’re passed, and the money is spent, we are obligated (and this isn’t just in a moral sense, it’s in the constitution, this is the Supreme Law Of The Land) to pay our bills. And from a practical perspective it’s counterproductive. It’s going to raise the cost of borrowing and paying our debt in the long term, and unless you want to disband the military and just abruptly stop paying social security checks and all that, playing these sorts of games only increases our long term costs. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/28 "2011-07-31T16:07:20Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Only guys I see saying “the sky is falling” is you fools. > > The government is spending money it doesn’t have. It has to do what every family and every business has done, get expenditures under control. > > Frankly, I don’t care all that much what the “Creditors” think. They are the ones who were in bed with Dodd and Frank and the rest of them and got us into this mess by insisting we had to make loans based on food stamps. > > A line in the sand has been drawn on this issue. FINALLY. Praise Jay-a-zus. > > No more spending a trillion dollars on payoffs to your union goon buddies on the backs of the rest of us. What do these talking points have to do with my OP? ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/29 "2011-07-31T16:53:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > This isn’t some honorable fight to reduce spending. This is racking up a bill on a credit card and then refusing to pay it off. That’s a shitty weasel thing to do and it’s pathetic that you embrace this as some sort of honorable conservative principle. The place to fight this stuff is in the budget proposals and the appropriations bills. Once they’re passed, and the money is spent, we are obligated (and this isn’t just in a moral sense, it’s in the constitution, this is the Supreme Law Of The Land) to pay our bills. > > And from a practical perspective it’s counterproductive. It’s going to raise the cost of borrowing and paying our debt in the long term, and unless you want to disband the military and just abruptly stop paying social security checks and all that, playing these sorts of games only increases our long term costs. If that’s what it takes to get the government to stop spending money it doesn’t have, I’m all for it. Of course, “The One” has already blinked. He gave up on his “revenue enhancements” and is finally embracing cuts… so what we are doing is working. We certainly could have never acheived this in the budget and appropriations process… ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/30 "2011-07-31T18:40:21Z")
> [@RR](#): > > “The One” Not that I hold out the slightest hope that you’ll answer me honestly, but, do you _only_ say that to annoy people? Or is there some substantive reason behind it? Because, honestly, it _really_ makes you look like such a colossally pompous blowhard. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/31 "2011-07-31T19:54:01Z")
If this debt is so bad, why did the Republicans incur it? No, I’m not talking about Bush, here: I’m talking about the current members of the House of Representatives, who a scant few months ago approved the budget. The exact same set of people who are now fighting tooth and nail to destroy that budget they approved. What’s the overarching principle, here, that both actions are consistent with? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/32 "2011-07-31T20:58:56Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > Not that I hold out the slightest hope that you’ll answer me honestly, but, do you _only_ say that to annoy people? Or is there some substantive reason behind it? Because, honestly, it _really_ makes you look like such a colossally pompous blowhard. Give him a break. You try to convince people they should vote for Bachmann and see how desperate you sound. ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/33 "2011-07-31T21:06:33Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Give him a break. You try to convince people they should vote for Bachmann and see how desperate you sound. Heh, fair point 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/34 "2011-07-31T21:51:28Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > That’s easy: if anything bad happens, it’s Obama’s fault. I think that’s their longer term plan too: do their best to wreck the economy, and blame Obama for it in the 2012 election. Why not? Everything post 2008 has been Bush’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/35 "2011-07-31T22:02:29Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Only guys I see saying “the sky is falling” is you fools. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > The idea that your guys can wreck our credit rating on purpose when the US has had a perfect credit record and somehow blame the democrats just shows how absurdly deep your partisan blinding goes. > [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > Because, honestly, it _really_ makes you look like such a colossally pompous blowhard. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Give him a break. You try to convince people they should vote for Bachmann and see how desperate you sound. All of you are going over the line here. Knock it off. Stick to attacking the arguments instead of the posters, or a lot of warnings will be handed out. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/36 "2011-07-31T22:43:09Z")
> [@George\_Kaplin](#): > > Not that I hold out the slightest hope that you’ll answer me honestly, but, do you _only_ say that to annoy people? Or is there some substantive reason behind it? Because, honestly, it _really_ makes you look like such a colossally pompous blowhard. Yeah, there’s a reason I say it. I think it’s effin’ hilarious. You guys put all this hope into this guy, and he’s pretty much screwed up everything and set your party back 20 years. You know, this is a largely liberal board, which is why I post here less. (I found another board with more functionality and more balance). So I totally get you all need the support group. But seriously, do you know what I don’t see here, a serious liberal evaluation that this guy has been a profound disappointment to liberals. So instead of re-evaluating your support, you need to invent reasons to hate the REpublicans. Even the ones who aren’t running or don’t have a serious chance. You guys made a mistake. You had a perfectly good candidate in Hillary, and you rejected her for a non-entity so you can feel good about yourselves. And now that he is proving he is not up to the job, you’re acting like we’re responsible for the wound you’ve inflicted on yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/37 "2011-07-31T23:31:18Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > You guys put all this hope into this guy, and he’s pretty much screwed up everything and set your party back 20 years. You feel Democrats have a problem going back to 1991? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/38 "2011-08-01T15:19:10Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Yeah, there’s a reason I say it. > > I think it’s effin’ hilarious. You’re mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/39 "2011-08-04T03:09:30Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > But seriously, do you know what I don’t see here, a serious liberal evaluation that this guy has been a profound disappointment to liberals. There are literally 400 threads about how Obama has been a disappointment to liberals. If you don’t see it, it’s because you choose not to. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486/40 "2011-08-12T00:52:40Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > OTOH, Bachmann is flat out denying anything would happen at all. This is because she is an idiot. I’m not sure Bachmann is an idiot. However, she gets elected by being _popular_ with idiots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-and-ron-paul-how-would-they-spin-post-aug-2/590486.md?page=3)