# Michelle Bachmann is my new hero! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 12, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937 "2009-12-12T00:05:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/41 "2009-12-12T18:13:39Z")
> [@Peanut\_Gallery](#): > > I find it funny that mswas started a Sarah Palin thread without intending to. Don’t they all come back to the milfy wolf-huntress in the end? It’s a Liberal message board, what can you expect? Liberals love Sarah Palin. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/42 "2009-12-12T18:26:31Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > You know, one of those people you’re defending, Minnesotans, threw a **TOMATO** at Sarah Palin just last week. Yes, but they missed by a mile. Just like they did on Election Day with Michelle Bachmann. But I can’t complain too much. Somehow we elected [the Mayor of Tromaville](http://youngmanridge.com/pop/movies/toxie/fat_troma_mayor%20-25.jpg) as [our new governor](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nzsROOFj9VY/Sr9WZPeaa6I/AAAAAAAAAkY/X_yR7VSnLEA/s200/medium_chris-christie-donations.jpg). :smack: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/43 "2009-12-12T19:05:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Maybe it did. > Maybe it didn’t. Actually, it did and didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/44 "2009-12-12T19:20:44Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > You know, one of those people you’re defending, Minnesotans, threw a **TOMATO** at Sarah Palin just last week. > Buncha disrespectful rebels and anarchists. We should lock up the lot of em! I’m not crazy about Palin myself. But some things are just not done. But I’d like it if she had grabbed the tomato in mid air, and fired it back at the thrower. That would be funny. Disagree with her, vote against her, but don’t assault her. That’s over the line. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/45 "2009-12-12T20:55:52Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > ..Minnesotans, threw a **TOMATO** at Sarah Palin just last week… You say **TOMATO** and they say “tomato” so maybe we should just forget the whole thing, you know, if its not going to be a lot of trouble. Well, OK, then… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/46 "2009-12-12T22:59:22Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > THANK YOU! I am so glad that I’m not the only one who is supremely bugged by the extremely annoying and hackneyed habit of untalented writers, politicians, ordinary knuckle-draggers and, well…, everybody. > > Look, it might have been almost acceptable (though not quite) the first few times it was applied to Watergate-style government cover-ups 20 or 30 years ago (e.g. “Iran-gate” or “Contra-gate”), but when it started getting slapped onto absolutely every sort of controversy imaginable (boxers or briefs? UNDERWEAR-GATE!!!11) it became really lame, really quickly. > > Let it go, ye creatively-challenged mothafuckas. Grow a new idea, for once. Well, you know what you just started, don’t you ? Oh yes. Suffixgate. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/47 "2009-12-12T23:03:21Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > I once a movie about that. Did you accidentally the whole thing? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/48 "2009-12-13T00:02:08Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > You know, one of those people you’re defending, Minnesotans, threw a **TOMATO** at Sarah Palin just last week. Yah, shoes are too valuable to throw, you betcha, and you might not get 'em back and have to go around barefoot. Besides, you just want to embarrass the person, not hurt him, yah. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/49 "2009-12-13T01:07:30Z")
Do they make a tomato pie. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/50 "2009-12-13T01:19:59Z")
If you watch her long enough, it’s not difficult to pick up the pattern. Give her any noun, and she’ll say that Obama will use that noun to destroy America. The less she understands about what that noun actually means, the more ACORN will be involved in her claims. Example: “Hey, Michelle Bachman, I just ate a banana but I think it had gone bad.” “It’s not surprising that the food we and our families take for granted are slowly being taken away under Obama’s socialist regime.” etcetc Neato fact: One of my cousins (11 or 12 years old) has a rare form of Cushings disease that nobody in medical science can figure out, so the National Institute of Health (NIH) is offering to fly her and her mom to their Bethesda research hospital for free, and give her treatment, for free, by the people who know the most about Cushings out of anybody in the whole planet, so they can increase their understanding of the disease. My aunt (her mom) is frightened, of course, because the NIH is a government program, and… y’know… OBAMA! BOOGIEBOOGIEBOOGIE! She’s agreed, but is still suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/51 "2009-12-13T01:51:02Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Did you accidentally the whole thing? I once accidentally the whole thing. I threw up afterward. I’ll never that again. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/52 "2009-12-13T03:49:25Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > You know, one of those people you’re defending, Minnesotans, threw a **TOMATO** at Sarah Palin just last week. > Buncha disrespectful rebels and anarchists. We should lock up the lot of em! Last week? In December? How many kilos of CO2 were required to transport that tomato? No, a TRUE Minnesotan would’ve thrown something that keeps through the winter, like a rutabaga. Anyway, tomatoes splat. Rutabagas, well, she’d know something had been thrown at her, after she came to. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/53 "2009-12-13T04:56:59Z")
Perhaps at some point, the dirt will be revealed on the Secretary of Defense or the head of Microsoft. Can’t wait for Gatesgate. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/54 "2009-12-13T20:48:52Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > LOL it’s always funny when people absolve someone of responsibility and replace that responsibility somewhere else as though those people are somehow supposed to be more self-aware and personally responsible. > > Most people, likely you included are merely playing out their programming. She should be a Minnesota housewife polluting the minds of her children and family. She should not be an elected official. She should be their problem, but the Minnesota voters made her our problem. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/55 "2009-12-13T20:51:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > She should be a Minnesota housewife polluting the minds of her children and family. She should not be an elected official. She should be their problem, but the Minnesota voters made her our problem. You mean just another Minnesotan housewife electing another Minnesotan housewife just like herself? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/56 "2009-12-13T20:53:35Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > If you watch her long enough, it’s not difficult to pick up the pattern. > > Give her any noun, and she’ll say that Obama will use that noun to destroy America. The less she understands about what that noun actually means, the more ACORN will be involved in her claims. > > Example: > > “Hey, Michelle Bachman, I just ate a banana but I think it had gone bad.” > “It’s not surprising that the food we and our families take for granted are slowly being taken away under Obama’s socialist regime.” > > etcetc > > Neato fact: One of my cousins (11 or 12 years old) has a rare form of Cushings disease that nobody in medical science can figure out, so the National Institute of Health (NIH) is offering to fly her and her mom to their Bethesda research hospital for free, and give her treatment, for free, by the people who know the most about Cushings out of anybody in the whole planet, so they can increase their understanding of the disease. > > My aunt (her mom) is frightened, of course, because the NIH is a government program, and… y’know… OBAMA! BOOGIEBOOGIEBOOGIE! > > She’s agreed, but is still suspicious. What’s amazing is that they think the government changes that much depending on who is President at the time. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/57 "2009-12-13T23:11:37Z")
It amazes me you can not see how much the country changed during 8 years of Bush/ Cheney. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/58 "2009-12-14T00:03:16Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > It amazes me you can not see how much the country changed during 8 years of Bush/ Cheney. It’s amazing to me that you think it was all that particularly significant. The country didn’t change much, just our foreign policy did. The guys on Wall Street are the same regardless of who the President is. And as you can see, even Obama is pretty much aligned with their interests. Partisanship is for idiots who spend the most time thinking about the one election where they have the least amount of influence. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/59 "2009-12-14T00:53:12Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s amazing to me that you think it was all that particularly significant. The country didn’t change much, just our foreign policy did… The country isn’t just what we think it is, its what the rest of the world thinks it is. And right now, they’re thinking we’re nuts. That’s not good. I find it kinda hard to blame Al Gore for that. YMMV. People are dead who wouldn’t be, had it not been for our “foreign policy”. Lots of them, hundreds of thousands of them. That matters. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937/60 "2009-12-14T01:15:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The country isn’t just what we think it is, its what the rest of the world thinks it is. And right now, they’re thinking we’re nuts. That’s not good. I find it kinda hard to blame Al Gore for that. YMMV. Of course, you align your opinions in such a way as to believe that your views on the world are better and assume that the world agrees with you because you listen most intently to the part of the world that DOES agree with you. Al Gore’s bullshit on climate change is meaningful to this topic. Sure we can downplay the fact that he didn’t know the temperature of the Earth’s core, but millions of degrees? If he’s talking about global warming shouldn’t he know that the Earth’s core is not millions of degrees? Or at least know enough to STFU about it? > [@](#): > > People are dead who wouldn’t be, had it not been for our “foreign policy”. Lots of them, hundreds of thousands of them. That matters. Yea, that’s true. Everyone in the Chinese Embassy in Sarajevo would still be alive. The Rangers who died in Mogadishu in 1993 would still be alive. My Grandfather wouldn’t have beaten my Grandmother in his sleep because he wouldn’t have been shell-shocked from World War II. Everything matters, but just because something matters doesn’t make it a huge change. Neo-Liberal foreign policy has been the telos of the US of A for the entire twentieth century. The seeds were planted by Thomas Jefferson when we sent in the Marines to Tripoli to teach them that our business of international commerce was more important than their right to piracy. Ever since then protecting our interests has been ever-broadened. During the cold-war we fought the valiant fight against the Soviet Union, overthrowing elected governments worldwide to make sure that they stayed safe for capitalism. Couldn’t let Mossadegh nationalize the British oil fields could we? It was all so very important that we keep it safe in Central America for United Fruit. We liberated Cuba from Spain so that we could create Vegas in the Carribbean. So no, I don’t think that Bush really, ‘changed’, a whole hell of a lot. Nor do I see Obama doing much differently from Bush? Do I like Obama better than Bush? Yes. I think he’s a smoother operator and is proving to have a defter hand with foreign policy. But is anything different about the Neo-Liberal telos? Well I’ll let the man speak for himself: [QUOTE=Barack Obama] But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler’s armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda’s leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason. I raise this point because in many countries there is a deep ambivalence about military action today, no matter the cause. At times, this is joined by a reflexive suspicion of America, the world’s sole military superpower. Yet the world must remember that it was not simply international institutions - not just treaties and declarations - that brought stability to a post-World War II world. Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: **the United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms.** The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. We have done so out of enlightened self-interest - because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and prosperity. [/QUOTE] I like the direction Obama is taking it, but to argue that it’s a fundamental shift is quite simply insane. I don’t buy into partisan myopia where we complain about a particular aspect of our culture only when the wrong party is in power. It’s the same, ultimately. We are fighting to make the world safe for global capitalism. We kill people in the third world so that ultimately they can adopt progressive ideals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-bachmann-is-my-new-hero/520937.md?page=4)