# Michelle Obama must be disowned! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799 "2010-03-25T21:16:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/61 "2010-03-26T22:23:06Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > New York style isn’t crispy. Yeah, you can find crispy crust in NY, but that’s more of a “classic Italian” style, I think. > > Proper NY pizza is thin crust, but not _too_ thin, but it has to have big, floppy slices you can fold in half. And then the cheese all sildes off in the first bite and you have to decide to either slide it all into your mouth with that first bite, or tear it off and try to place it back on what’s left of your slice. 😛 Well, I look forward to trying some next time I’m in New York. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/62 "2010-03-27T00:01:18Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > If you can’t fold your pizza slice in half when eating it, it’s not proper pizza. This is absolutely true. Triangular slices and foldable are two of the defining characteristics of pizza. Also, Papa Johns/Pizza Hut/Dominos etc are not real pizza, because as far as I’m aware, none of them use brick ovens. Wood-fired is nice, but not a requirement; a real brick oven is a fundamental necessity. If you want really good pizza, go to People’s Pizza in Cherry Hill, NJ. I have no comment on further Chicago food issues other than to opine that anything sausage-esque is disgusting. You’re eating intestines, guys. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/63 "2010-03-27T01:11:47Z")
Yummy, yummy intestines. Packed with lips and assholes…\ Face it, when you break things down to the basics, we all live on shit and garbage. Right this minute, I am enjoying the result of a number of yeast cells shitting their little vacuoles out after chowing down on some corn mash. So sausage inna bun doesn’t bother me at all. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/64 "2010-03-27T01:16:39Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Must be the places I visited, then. Seemed like everywhere I went in Manhattan and Hoboken, they had some type of sliced, brown sausage. Or it could be that I’ve never seen sausage refer to anything but crumbly sausage pizza in Chicago, while out on the East Coast it can be either, so only the oddities stood out for me. Yeah, probably. Sometimes you do see the sliced kind too, but it seems to be less common, so maybe there was some selection bias going on. Mmmm…pizza selection bias. > [@ivn1188](#): > > Ugh, calling it gravy makes you sound like the Sopranos’ redneck-like “Italian”, with their Ricote cheese. Lemme guess. You call it rick-otta. You put it in lasagna with some matza-rella. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/65 "2010-03-27T01:31:43Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Lemme guess. You call it rick-otta. You put it in lasagna with some matza-rella. Yep, and I bet you like some managot and a slice of proeshoot. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/66 "2010-03-27T06:03:14Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > I have no comment on further Chicago food issues other than to opine that anything sausage-esque is disgusting. You’re eating intestines, guys. First of all, intestines are tasty. Second of all, the pizza on sausage is usually intestine-less. Third of all, even regular sausage is difficult to find with intestines these days–most companies seem to use collagen casings. It pisses me off, too. I like my hot dogs with natural casings and I can count on one hand how many places in my neighborhood still serve natural casing hot dogs. It’s a travesty, I tell ya. Nothing beats the snap of a natural casing. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/67 "2010-03-27T14:16:58Z")
Am I the only one who thinks the thinckness of the crust is irrelevant? The only thing that actually significantly affects the taste is the sauce. Toppings are next, then cheese, then type of bread, then finally the thickness thereof. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/68 "2010-03-27T14:41:00Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Am I the only one who thinks the thinckness of the crust is irrelevant? The only thing that actually significantly affects the taste is the sauce. Toppings are next, then cheese, then type of bread, then finally the thickness thereof. It depends on the pizza. In general, for me, the most important part is the crust, that’s why I tend to gravitate towards Neapolitan and many New York Styles (like Patsy’s) which emphasize a delicate flavorful crust, lightly charred, cooked in a very high-heat (usually brick wood-fired or sometimes coal-fired) oven. Pizza is first and foremost a type of bread, and the crust should be so good that it can stand alone and be eaten on its own. Sauce should be simple and clean: just plain, high-quality crushed Roma tomatoes (San Marzano, usually) will do. The sauce doesn’t need oregano or basil or anything in it. A little garlic and/or olive oil is okay. Toppings should be light, but of the highest quality. Cheese should be apply sparingly: most pizzas have way too much cheese for my tastes. However, with other styles I apply different rules. The above is for my platonic ideal of a pizza. ---
**Author:** ![may\_be\_ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@may\_be\_ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/may_be_ignorant)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/69 "2010-03-27T18:50:06Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > I was going to report this to be moved, but you know what? Fuck it. > > I’d rather hear some people bitching about pizza styles than yet another thread full of idiots poorly arguing politics that has to be here because of their utter lack of reasoning, self-control, and open-mindedness. > > Note to all Chicagoans: > > Fuck you and your stupid smarmy self-congratulatory claims about what hotdog condiments are acceptable. You’re eating a fucking mass-manufactured sausage made of lips and assholes, with the “gourmet” bright yellow mustard (Plochmann’s? Seriously?) and some fucking neon green relish that should not exist in nature. Bitching about ketchup at this point is just inane. > > Also, fuck your “Italian beef”. It’s not Italian, it’s barely beef, and it’s pretty much just sliced meat with some garlic and a ton of salt; in effect, a poor man’s french dip. Get over it. > > Finally, Chicago-style pizza isn’t actually pizza. It’s just a giant, messy, and sort of disgusting but still damn tasty pie. It’s good, yes. But hey, so is NY style, or St. Louis style (whatever the fuck that is), or whatever other style of pizza. Pizza is all good. Take Mr. Giordano’s pizza, and dick, out of your mouth, or at least stop crowing about how this fat pseudo-Italian guy in the 40’s tried to make pizza, except he fucked it up and made these pie things, which are actually pretty tasty. > > By the way, I find it most amusing that with all these “styles” of pizza, the most common and nationally accepted pizza style is the Domino’s/Papa John’s/Pizza Hut/Little Caesar’s type. So apparently, America’s favorite pizza style is: > > Wichita, Kansas style. > > Think about that next time you want to talk about how everyone else’s pizza sucks. obviously republican ---
**Author:** ![may\_be\_ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@may\_be\_ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/may_be_ignorant)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/70 "2010-03-27T18:51:27Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > First of all, intestines are tasty. Second of all, the pizza on sausage is usually intestine-less. Third of all, even regular sausage is difficult to find with intestines these days–most companies seem to use collagen casings. It pisses me off, too. I like my hot dogs with natural casings and I can count on one hand how many places in my neighborhood still serve natural casing hot dogs. It’s a travesty, I tell ya. Nothing beats the snap of a natural casing. thats just not right ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/71 "2010-03-27T19:56:11Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > Lemme guess. You call it rick-otta. You put it in lasagna with some matza-rella. um, we’re not in Italy, pal. I know living in New Jersey can confuse you from time to time, but pronouncing words in English as they sound in Italian, or using cutesy idiomatic words that are very narrowly understood and acting like said idiom is the “right” term, is the epitome of failed, ersatz pretentiousness. p.s. I would’ve liked to have seen you give the pronunciation respelling… reek-otta. It would’ve buttressed nicely into your stupid point. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/72 "2010-03-27T20:07:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Am I the only one who thinks the thinckness of the crust is irrelevant? Probably. I agree that it is the most important point of all. It defines the food you are eating. A number of very different things are called ‘pizza’. You only know what someone is really referring to if the crust is defined as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/73 "2010-03-27T20:18:02Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Meh. I’m a born-and-raised Chicagoan and I don’t much like what people refer to as “Chicago style pizza.” I prefer the other indigenous style – a type of cracker crust cut into squares. Even though I grew up in the city, I never had that thick-crusted thing until I was in my teens–people in my neck of the woods generally ate thin crust. Still, I prefer to think of Chicago-style pizza as its own food, and once or twice a year it’s a nice change of pace. I could have written this, exactly. And if I had to choose between New York-style pizza and Chicago Deep Dish, 9 times out of 10, I’d pick the New York style. You can pry the Chicago thin crust out of my cold, dead hands, though. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/74 "2010-03-27T21:27:02Z")
> [@may\_be\_ignorant](#): > > thats just not right Which part? Anyhow, you don’t taste the intestines when eating a hot dog. There is no discernible flavor to them, so far as I can tell. It’s a matter of texture. Biting into a hot dog (or other sausage), there should be a little bit of resistance as the natural casing stretches under your teeth, and a nice clean “snap” when the pressure exceeds the tensile strength of the casing. Skinless dogs just don’t have that satisfying interplay of textures. And this applies to all sausages. Skinless or collagen casing sausage simply don’t feel “right” in my mouth. They seem mealy (and perhaps somehow less juicy, although that could be a pyschological thing.) I am always disappointed when a hot dog stand uses a skinless dog, and that will make me write off that hot dog stand forever. Luckily, at least one big local chain, Portillos, has natural casing dogs, so if I really want a hot dog in an unexplored part of town, I could usually find a Portillos to have one at. (While they do a Chicago style hot dog with all the trimmings, it’s not the supposed canonical Chicago style hot dog as advertised by Vienna Beef – no fluorescent neon green relish. It’s actually quite difficult to find that exact hot dog served by default at most hot dog stands in Chicago and its environs.) ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/75 "2010-03-28T01:04:20Z")
> [@may\_be\_ignorant](#): > > obviously republican Nominated for best post+username combo. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799/76 "2010-03-28T02:45:53Z")
They make pizza in the US? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-must-be-disowned/533799.md?page=3)