# Michelle Wie - what a loser! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 16, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010 "2009-02-16T00:51:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/1 "2009-02-16T00:51:03Z")
Man, she’s 19 years old already, and she can’t manage to do any better than second place in her first tourney since getting her tour card. What a loser! She really oughta hang up the spikes! (Gotta get able to hit a fairway with a 3-wood in the final round, tho!) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/2 "2009-02-16T02:03:19Z")
Second place is first loser. 😛 She needs to get back in my bedroom where she belongs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/3 "2009-02-16T02:08:15Z")
No way man, clearly she’s good enough to play on the men’s tour. I think the best way for her to hone her skills is to play with the big boys, miss the cut by 10 strokes every time, and spend the next two and a half years trying to rediscover the skill she had at 19 (16?) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/4 "2009-02-16T02:38:43Z")
She has listened to very bad advice in her career. I think she should ignore Happy Scrappys advice too. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/5 "2009-02-16T07:06:23Z")
No pix??? ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/6 "2009-02-16T09:59:08Z")
You will notice that her first truly positive contribution to a tournament in a long time followed her finally swallowing her pride and going the normal route for a new LPGA golfer. She probably should have never gotten all involved in men’s tour appearances, etc. She’s always had the ability to compete on the LPGA, but there is some point at which you have to have the mental chops, too. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/7 "2009-02-16T11:58:37Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > She probably should have never gotten all involved in men’s tour appearances, etc. She’s always had the ability to compete on the LPGA, but there is some point at which you have to have the mental chops, too. I agree from a purely sports point of view, but presumably she is now a millionaire because of the publicity. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/8 "2009-02-16T14:28:45Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I agree from a purely sports point of view, but presumably she is now a millionaire because of the publicity. [She was already a multimillionaire before she took her first swing as a pro, more than three years ago.](http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2167196) ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/9 "2009-02-16T14:42:36Z")
I don’t know what is snark, and what is serious (including the porn innuendo), in this thread, but for those who are geniunely mocking her, [insult deleted because this is the wrong forum]. I predict that once she does win her first tourney, and proves to herself that she can indeed win, the floodgates will open and she’ll be winning left and right. From Wikipedia’s article on Annika Sorenstam: “Sörenstam was invited to play in three 1993 LPGA tournaments where she finished T38th, 4th, and T9th earning more than $47,000. She finished second four times on the Ladies European Tour and was 1993 Ladies European Tour Rookie of the Year.[21] By tying for 28th at the LPGA Final Qualifying Tournament she earned non-exempt status for the 1994 season. Sörenstam’s first professional win came at the 1994 Holden Australian Open Championship on the ALPG Tour [when she was 24 years old].” ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/10 "2009-02-16T15:32:05Z")
Hell, my OP was all snark. Here you have a 19-20 year-old finishing 2d, and you’ve got people acting like it is a failure. Man, she must have been channeling Lefty to blow a 3-shot lead going into the back nine! The most disturbing thing from my perspective was that for whatever reason I didn’t find her quite as hot as I used to. I hope it isn’t the fact that she is now legal … ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/11 "2009-02-16T16:00:40Z")
She should have her own videogame: Wie Wii Golf. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/12 "2009-02-16T17:05:02Z")
[http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/wie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dontcostnothing.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/is-it-already-too-late-for-michelle-wie/&h=335&w=280&sz=116&tbnid=9tAJu\_ZezlzGaM::&tbnh=119&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichelle%2Bwie&usg=\_\_GKW\_HiJleQnW4gcrDLq0lbbn09o=&ei=UpyZSb-lC6H4NMT2yf4L&sa=X&oi=image\_result&resnum=7&ct=image&cd=1](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/wie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dontcostnothing.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/is-it-already-too-late-for-michelle-wie/&h=335&w=280&sz=116&tbnid=9tAJu_ZezlzGaM::&tbnh=119&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichelle%2Bwie&usg=__GKW_HiJleQnW4gcrDLq0lbbn09o=&ei=UpyZSb-lC6H4NMT2yf4L&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&cd=1) Gotta bring Dinsdale back into the fold. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/13 "2009-02-16T17:29:50Z")
She looks good to me. What’s the problem exactly? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/14 "2009-02-16T17:30:46Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Google Image Result](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://dontcostnothing.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/wie.jpg&imgrefurl=http://dontcostnothing.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/is-it-already-too-late-for-michelle-wie/&h=335&w=280&sz=116&tbnid=9tAJu_ZezlzGaM::&tbnh=119&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichelle%2Bwie&usg=__GKW_HiJleQnW4gcrDLq0lbbn09o=&ei=UpyZSb-lC6H4NMT2yf4L&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&cd=1) > Gotta bring Dinsdale back into the fold. I think that pic is from two years ago so it still doesn’t make Dinsdale not an ebophile. yes, I know that sentence is more tortured than a Gitmo detainee. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/15 "2009-02-16T21:58:08Z")
Disclaimer: I readily acknowledge that MW is a far more attractive young woman than I am or ever was a man. And she is a tremendously talented athlete, such that I surely should not be criticizing her looks. But having said that . . . There’s something about the lower part of her face. She looks thicker through the jaw, which makes her mouth look smaller than it is. Add in that when she talks she seems not to really move her mouth much - reminds me of a Clutch Cargo cartoon. The waved and highlit hair she had during interviews was not becoming. And her legs appear to have gotten stronger, a tad thicker. All the better for wrapping around me, I know, but not quite as fetching in her oh-so-short skirts. Yes - I’m a pig. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2009, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/16 "2009-02-16T22:29:01Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I don’t know what is snark, and what is serious (including the porn innuendo), in this thread, but for those who are geniunely mocking her, [insult deleted because this is the wrong forum]. I predict that once she does win her first tourney, and proves to herself that she can indeed win, the floodgates will open and she’ll be winning left and right. The reason she deserves to be mocked is that, before she had won even a single LPGA tourney, she was managing her career as though she was already too good to limit herself to LPGA events. She’s got golf talent oozing out of every pore, and mismanaged her career to the point where she wasn’t even competitive on the LPGA level in 2007 and 2008, AFTER netting six top-5 finishes in her first 7 LPGA events (her one non-top-5 was a DQ after finishing fourth) She believed her own press, and it bit her in the ass. A very interesting line from Wie’s wikipedia page. “She has never won a 72-hole stroke-play event at any level.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/17 "2009-02-17T00:53:02Z")
“Mismanaged” nothing. She had a lingering wrist injury, tried to come back too soon, and injured it again. > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > A very interesting line from Wie’s wikipedia page. “She has never won a 72-hole stroke-play event at any level.” Not sure what this is getting at (note the limits of the tournaments in question you chose very carefully to exclude much in terms of amateur events, which are usually not 72 hole stroke play events-she won the Hawaii State Open Women’s Division, for example, and the U.S. Women’s Amateur Public Links). If you are willing to take 100-1 odds against (as you seem to think she is some sort of flash in the pan who will never amount to anything) that she will never win on the LPGA tour, I’ll take it, if you like. I’ll even give you 400-1 that she won’t win a women’s major. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/18 "2009-02-17T01:38:21Z")
I think Michelle Wie is a great golf talent - maybe one of the best ever, but I’d take that bet on value alone. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/19 "2009-02-17T02:43:10Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > “Mismanaged” nothing. She had a lingering wrist injury, tried to come back too soon, and injured it again. If she’s had a wrist injury the last two and a half years, something sure as heck was mismanaged. > [@](#): > > Not sure what this is getting at It’s getting at the fact that as talented as she is, she’s actually won only a handful of tournaments, none of which were in the typical professional format > [@](#): > > as you seem to think she is some sort of flash in the pan who will never amount to anything I think nothing of the sort. She’s fabulously talented, and if she manages to buckle down and take the LPGA seriously, she’ll have a great, potentially historic career. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010/20 "2009-02-17T03:19:45Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > If she’s had a wrist injury the last two and a half years, something sure as heck was mismanaged. Medically, if nothing else. So what’s the point of dissing someone whose career has just barely begun really? There have been very few golfers, male or female, who’ve had the record she has through her current age (yes I know about Paula Creamer, 3 years older). I consider the “close but no cigar” syndrome to be more of a fluke than anything else-it’s hardly an insult to say that she had 7 top 10 finishes in professional female majors by the time she was 16 (reread that sentence very carefully)-it takes quite a bit of spin to make all that out to be the accomplishments of an underachiever. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-wie-what-a-loser/486010.md?page=2)