I’m surprised. I was in Troy a few months ago for business. I couldn’t smoke in the hotel bar or in any other place I visited (although there there weren’t many since it was a short trip.)
I just figured they had one the nanny bans in place already.
I’ve read the whole thread, but I don’t understand why it goes beyond post #10, above. Nothing new has actually been said since **Bricker **nailed it.
Logical fallacies are so fun.
Don’t shoot the messenger: but maybe your music just sucks ass.
Where’s the logical fallacy? I logically deduce that a) Smoking, car exhaust and chimney emissions are pollution, b) One is inherently more evil than the others based solely upon the arguments presented here, c) A person can in fact live without all of the above, and d) Direct quote: “You don’t have the right to pollute the air that I breathe”.
Therefore, I logically deduce that the argument is based upon something other than the pollution aspect of it, and I ask why if we are required to give something up based upon nothing more than your whims why are you not required to give up something infinitely more harmful based upon my whims?
Sorry, but there is no logical fallacy here. There is, however, a severe disconnect on your side of the argument. You can reason it out while you ride to work on your new bicycle. Don’t forget to bundle up, it can get cold out there.
First of all, deductive reasoning != always flawless, perfect reasoning. Their can be fallacies in deduction, too- don’t be obtuse.
Second of all, point me to where I said what my side of the argument is here, dear. I’ll wait.
I’m being as obtuse as smoking ban proponents. They need only admit that they want what they want and that’s the basis for it. The rest is window dressing, the adult version of “think about the kids”.
Your side of the argument is clearly the antithesis of mine, otherwise you wouldn’t have fired a shot at me from the jump.
Perhaps my problem is with people who have poor argumentation skills and I don’t have a dog in the smoking fight? Heck, maybe I’m on your side and I dislike you making us look bad by using poor, flawed logic.
An inevitable reply, I suppose, but I’ve seen it with many other bands besides mine.
Or perhaps you’re just shitting up the thread, and have no intention of contributing anything significant.
Umm, only 25% of American smoke. And, in general, non-smokers and smokers do not pal around. So, what you propose is unlikely. In fact, in CA, almost every single niteclub noticed an increase in business after the smoking ban, despite predictions of doom by the owners.
You caught me. I think my posting history shows that I’m nothing but a big ol’ troll- trollin’ up MPSIMS like the trolly mc troll that I am. (Troll).
Or maybe, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I dunno. I think the former is more likely. No, it’s definitely more likely.
Look, as a high school debate coach, I hear a lot of atrocious abuses of logic on the day to day. Enough to make sweet baby troll Jesus weep in his little troll manger bed. So, when there is someone I otherwise have a high level of respect for (Airman Doors, USAF), who is otherwise an intelligent and thoughtful individual and I see them sinking to the lowest common denominator of argumentation (much like wee 15 year old trolls do during their debates), well, it makes my little troll heart sad.
And obviously Airman is caught up in this, because he just jumped at me under the assumption that I am his big bad (tall and green, apparently) smoking opponent when the reality is that wasn’t my beef at all. Do you watch Top Model? I feel like Tyra in this video at about 1:35 on.
Go ahead and accuse me of thread shitting because I dared to suggest maybe people didn’t come back to watch your band because of the quality you were presenting. I don’t know about the others here, but I know plenty of folks who have to leave performances temporarily and return. Always do. I always have, actually. Well, except this time this hippy girl was strumming violently on her guitar about how much she loves Mormons. That was weird enough that when I got a phone call and had to go outside, I ran for my car. Or whatever it is trolls like me drive in.
Sure the owner should have the right to impair the health of his employees.
Are you kidding? Most owners often don’t give a shit about employees. They care when they are forced to, by the law. That is when they stop. Some owners have a conscience and don’t want to make people sick. The rest fight everything that they are forced to do.
[Eddie Izzard] No smoking in bars, and pretty soon no drinking and no talking. [/EI]
That’s a whole lot of verbiage doing nothing to prove your case. Also, as an exercise, Ms. Debate Coach, identify the fallacy in the following sentence, in light of my response:
Answer due on my desk first thing in the morning.
Oh, I’m sorry, Mr. Rock Star, I didn’t mean to offend you further. Perhaps you missed my point: I like Airman, I respect Airman, I just believe that Airman is doing his side of this debate no good by being intentionally obtuse and ridiculous in his responses. He knows what he’s doing, he’s not dumb. Hell, he even says he’s fully aware of the tactic he’s using.
And just because I pointed out that his argument tactic wasn’t helping any, doesn’t mean I disagree with his side’s position (which is what he accused me of). I’ve still yet to express my opinion one way or the other, actually.
It’s funny that you’re the one calling me a thread shitter and not Airman. Maybe I should hint that his band is less than awesome so he’ll jump on me too.
Ogre, where can I listen to/see your band? I’m all curious-like now.
Really? I hadn’t noticed.
Birminghm, Alabama. I don’t have a date lined up for a while, because I’m working on PhD quals, and I have a baby on the way. But yeah, when I have a show lined up, you’re welcome to come.
Er… kind of a hike, dude. 
I meant, like, on YouTube or something.
Oh, well hell, since we were talking about live shows, I thought you were gonna hop a Greyhound or something. Come on down. I’ll buy you a beer. 
Check out one of my bands here: