# Michigan vs. Ohio state. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 11, 2006, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055 "2006-11-11T23:29:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/141 "2006-11-20T04:22:33Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] I watched most of the game, coming in after the score was already 14-7. Thought it was okay, Michigan never felt like they threatened to win the game, and frankly both defenses looked very suspect. [/QUOTE] Really? I think if Michigan hadn’t screwed up with that penalty on 3rd and 15 in the fourth (which OSU subsequently scored on), the Blue would have had a very good shot at winning the game. I thought it was really close. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/142 "2006-11-20T15:41:24Z")
[QUOTE=Team of Scientists] Going by today’s BCS rankings, there seem to be only four contenders left in the bunch: Michigan, USC, Florida and Arkansas. USC seems to be in control here. If they win out, they’ll jump Michigan. [/QUOTE] I expect the winner of the USC vs Notre Dame game to play against OSU for the championship. If both of them look lackluster, maybe Florida instead. ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/143 "2006-11-20T17:21:36Z")
[QUOTE=The Swan] Right. You all drink 2.5 beers apiece, all day. How much for the bridge?? [/QUOTE] No, most of us actually drank \<2.5 beers per gameday. If you combined all the gamedays of all four years on campus, I may have exceeded 2.5 beers total. My point is that 8 people standing around 12 beers isn’t exactly excessive, especially when you consider that the beer is to last for 4-8 hours. I live in WI now, 3 beers up here is merely “well hydrated for breakfast.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/144 "2006-11-20T17:34:38Z")
[QUOTE=xbuckeye] No, most of us actually drank \<2.5 beers per gameday. If you combined all the gamedays of all four years on campus, I may have exceeded 2.5 beers total. My point is that 8 people standing around 12 beers isn’t exactly excessive, especially when you consider that the beer is to last for 4-8 hours. I live in WI now, 3 beers up here is merely “well hydrated for breakfast.” [/QUOTE] Of those who drink on gameday, I would bet my house on the fact that you are the exception rather than the rule. There were many displays of excess in that video that went well beyond 8 people standing around with a 12 pack. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/145 "2006-11-20T18:15:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Good game, wolfman. May I get you a beer? oops I missed this one. Yeah it was a great game. Two damn good teams, who knew they needed to pull out a whole new playbook. And well officiated for the most part. The touchdown pick play, then UM got the benefit of a real iffy Pass interference in the fourth, and that was all I really saw. I’m ready to continue it at a neutral site in January 🙂 and I think there is a good chance it will happen. We’ll save the beer til then… ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/146 "2006-11-20T19:02:47Z")
[QUOTE=wolfman] oops I missed this one. Yeah it was a great game. Two damn good teams, who knew they needed to pull out a whole new playbook. And well officiated for the most part. The touchdown pick play, then UM got the benefit of a real iffy Pass interference in the fourth, and that was all I really saw. I’m ready to continue it at a neutral site in January 🙂 and I think there is a good chance it will happen. We’ll save the beer til then… [/QUOTE] I say no OSU v. Michigan rematch, because if Michigan won then they’d have to playa third game in Ann Arbor in January to break the 1-1 tie. 😃 Michigan had their chance. Its time to let the SEC Champ (Florida or Arkansas) or USC (if they beat Notre Dame and UCLA) or West Virginia (if they win their last game) have a crack at them. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/147 "2006-11-20T19:10:29Z")
[QUOTE=zamboniracer] I say no OSU v. Michigan rematch, because if Michigan won then they’d have to playa third game in Ann Arbor in January to break the 1-1 tie. 😃 [/QUOTE] Exactly. There are only 2 outcomes to a rematch, and neither of them is good: Michigan wins (so who is really #1?) or Ohio State wins (and we already know that OSU is better than Michigan, so what’s the point?) ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/148 "2006-11-20T19:11:55Z")
[QUOTE=The Swan] Of those who drink on gameday, I would bet my house on the fact that you are the exception rather than the rule. [/QUOTE] …you’re absolutely right, of those who drink on gameday, those who don’t drink on gameday are an exception… You’re a Michigan grad, aren’t you! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Swan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_Swan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Swan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/149 "2006-11-20T19:19:18Z")
[QUOTE=xbuckeye] …you’re absolutely right, of those who drink on gameday, those who don’t drink on gameday are an exception… You’re a Michigan grad, aren’t you! :dubious: [/QUOTE] No, University of Georgia. We drink like fish. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/150 "2006-11-20T22:51:19Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] Exactly. There are only 2 outcomes to a rematch, and neither of them is good: Michigan wins (so who is really #1?) or Ohio State wins (and we already know that OSU is better than Michigan, so what’s the point?) [/QUOTE] Unless it’s a blowout. In 96, Florida State beat Florida 24-21. Then Florida got to play them again in the bowl and won 52-20. No split title. However, it was different system back then. Had Arizona State won the Rose Bowl, they would’ve been the unbeaten #1. Was ASU not tied into the Rose Bowl (pre-BCS), it would’ve been Florida State vs Arizona State for all the marbles. So Florida “backed in”. Spurrier did a lot of whining about the refs after the first game, so I wonder if that influenced the pollsters to give Florida another chance? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/151 "2006-11-20T23:15:07Z")
Since my Bears were unable to put together any kind of offense against USC…we’re relegated to the Holiday Bowl. Had we managed to beat SC, we’d be in the Rose Bowl, up against Michigan – and would, undoubtedly, get our ass kicked spectacularly. I’d rather beat up on Big 12 #3, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/152 "2006-11-20T23:22:27Z")
[QUOTE=HubZilla] Unless it’s a blowout. In 96, Florida State beat Florida 24-21. Then Florida got to play them again in the bowl and won 52-20. No split title. However, it was different system back then. Had Arizona State won the Rose Bowl, they would’ve been the unbeaten #1. Was ASU not tied into the Rose Bowl (pre-BCS), it would’ve been Florida State vs Arizona State for all the marbles. So Florida “backed in”. Spurrier did a lot of whining about the refs after the first game, so I wonder if that influenced the pollsters to give Florida another chance? [/QUOTE] it also took a Texas win to put Florida in the Sugar Bowl vs. FSU. it’s an unlikely scenario today. Especially since Michigan has no more games to play. The polls account for 2/3 of the BCS score. If UF could drop a place in the polls after winning by 62 points, I don’t see it impossible that UM could drop after not playing for two weeks. USC still has Dame and UCLA, UF and Ark have each other and FSU and LSU respectively. Any of those teams goes undefeated in that span and they will and should leap UM. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/153 "2006-11-21T00:08:41Z")
[QUOTE=Team of Scientists] Mundane Trivia Note: Michigan once played at Hawaii after the Ohio State game. I can’t remember which year this was…sometime in the late 90s. [/QUOTE] [1998 - Michigan won 48-17](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EFDA1338F933A05752C1A96E958260). ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/154 "2006-11-21T07:42:39Z")
[QUOTE=whole bean] it also took a Texas win to put Florida in the Sugar Bowl vs. FSU. [/QUOTe] For some reason, I didn’t want to mention that part. Nebraska won it all in 94 and 95. In 96, we lost at Arizona State, but worked our way back up. Had we beaten Texas, we might be looking at a 3-peat (or 4-peat since we won in 97). ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/155 "2006-11-21T12:16:26Z")
[QUOTE=HubZilla] Spurrier did a lot of whining about the refs after the first game, so I wonder if that influenced the pollsters to give Florida another chance? [/QUOTE] In fairness, this “whining” was probably more to keep Wuerffel from being killed by repeated FSU late hits in the rematch than to try and influence any poll voters. FSU defense was clearly instructed to drive the QB into the ground every single time they touched him. I think the FSU defensive coordinator that year was [this guy](http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/karate-kid/karate-kid14.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/156 "2006-11-21T17:27:41Z")
> [@](#): > > we might be looking at a 3-peat (or 4-peat since we won in 97). No you didn’t([sub]cough Missouri cough[/sub]) We did 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/157 "2006-11-22T01:24:45Z")
[QUOTE=wolfman] No you didn’t([sub]cough Missouri cough[/sub]) We did 🙂 [/QUOTE] [Only in the AP poll](http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1997.htm). We got most of the rest of the polls. We got the pretty crystal trophy, the [one](http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/VinceYoungTrophyKiss.jpg) [all](http://www.sportsfanfare.com/mm-16phlei530.html) [the](http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/college/allsport/coaches/koker_larry.jpg) [champions](http://www.geocities.com/nolefan_fsu/summary/small_f1994.jpg) [hold](http://shop.dispatch.com/Products/PhotoShop/medium/poy-fiesta.jpg) [up](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2000/bowls/news/2001/01/03/orange_gamer_ap/t1_stoops_ap.jpg). 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/158 "2006-11-22T19:58:04Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] In fairness, this “whining” was probably more to keep Wuerffel from being killed by repeated FSU late hits in the rematch than to try and influence any poll voters. FSU defense was clearly instructed to drive the QB into the ground every single time they touched him. I think the FSU defensive coordinator that year was [this guy](http://adorocinema.cidadeinternet.com.br/filmes/karate-kid/karate-kid14.jpg). [/QUOTE] _sigh_ Is this fucking canard still around? I was _at_ both games that year. In the first game, yes, FSU took every chance they had to hit the quarterback. Are you arguing that they shouldn’t have or that Florida somehow wasn’t trying to hit FSU’s quarterback? While there were a few late hits, FSU was properly penalized for them. Steve has as much as admitted that he “whined” in order to get the refs sensitive to the issue for the Sugar Bowl so that FSU would have to be less agressive in its rush. And, it worked, but the real reason for the difference in score is that Wuerffel converted from a 3-step drop to a 5-step drop (or a 5 to 7) and the extra half-second was enough time for him to get his passes off (Steve also kept him in the shotgun with a 3-step drop for a fair portion of the game). ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/159 "2006-11-23T09:00:02Z")
If Michigan DOES get a rematch with OSU I will be really pissed. Even if MU wins, what will it prove, other than that neither team is clearly better than the other? Why not make it 2 out of 3 to be _certain?_ Jeezus. Michigan had their chance and couldn’t pull it off. They never led in the game after OSU scored its first touchdown, and for all their bitching about how they let the game “slip away,” they were [dominated in every way](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/boxscores/2006/11/18/34068_boxscore.html). MU’s “vaunted” defense gave up more yards on one run by a freshman runnng back than they normally give up in entire games, and had a grand total of one (1) sack. Michigan was out-rushed, out-passed, gave up more sacks, had more penalties, and had the ball for a shorter time than OSU. In fact, the only edge they had was in getting turnovers, which is the only reason they were within 10 at the final gun. So considering all this, Michigan probably shouldn’t desire a rematch. They might not get lucky the second time around. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2006, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055/160 "2006-11-23T11:21:21Z")
2 of those turnovers weren’t really the result of anything Michigan did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michigan-vs-ohio-state/380055.md?page=9)