# Microsoft - AGAIN! KB3086255 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698 "2015-09-18T19:25:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/21 "2015-09-21T23:16:56Z")
Wait. Is this why my old Call of Duty disks won’t play anymore? They just stopped working in the last few days. (don’t play that often) ---
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/22 "2015-09-22T07:31:48Z")
Now if you had only complained about Macrovision’s SafeDisc DRM a decade ago…There is no reason that Microsoft should be the one you are bashing. This is crap that the game companies installed on your machine to pad their pockets and deny you your fair use rights. I’m no Micosoft lover but you are completely ignorant about who you should be mad at…and the fact that you don’t care that your computer can be used to steal other peoples personal information, or distribute child porn really deserves it’s own pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/23 "2015-09-22T13:55:46Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, in that case, why should I care? If I don’t notice that it’s there, and it has no effect on me or on my personal data, I fail to see why it’s a problem. Oh, Og. _You’re_ the guy who throws the dozens of drink cans and plastic bags all over the woods I go for walks in on the weekends, aren’t you? Well, you’d finished your beer, where else were you going to leave the can? You’re the guy whose dog makes the road outside my house such a fragrant minefield. Maybe you live in Kettering, Ohio and I live in London, England, but _spiritually_ you’re still That Guy. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/24 "2015-09-22T14:11:44Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I have the Steam version. Which stopped working on Win 7 as well. > > Good thing we have some old XP boxes. Stopped working recently, you mean? They’re still selling Civ 3 so clearly it ought to work. Try posting about it on the Steam forums. They have a few threads of people getting help making Civ 3 work (and others for whom it works out of the box.) So it’s probably a local problem. > **[Sid Meier's Civilization III: Complete General Discussions :: Steam Community](https://steamcommunity.com/app/3910/discussions/)** > > Sid Meier's Civilization III: Complete - Sid Meier's Civilization III: Complete, the latest offering in the Sid Meier's Civilization III franchise, provides gaming fans with Sid Meier's Civilization III, the highly-addictive journey of discovery,... I don’t have Civ3 on steam so I can’t help directly, I’m afraid. I didn’t like 3 much anyway. I liked 5 best, actually. I like the change from Stacks of Doom. But I thought 4 was very superior to 3 as well. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/25 "2015-09-22T14:19:57Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Now if you had only complained about Macrovision’s SafeDisc DRM a decade ago…There is no reason that Microsoft should be the one you are bashing. This is crap that the game companies installed on your machine to pad their pockets and deny you your fair use rights. I did complain. I wasn’t a member of this board then, but when I complained to people about it, they responded, “What, you want people to be free to steal content?” Damned if I do; damned if I don’t. > [@Nancarrow](#): > > Oh, Og. _You’re_ the guy who throws the dozens of drink cans and plastic bags all over the woods I go for walks in on the weekends, aren’t you? Well, you’d finished your beer, where else were you going to leave the can? You’re the guy whose dog makes the road outside my house such a fragrant minefield. Wow, this is a really stupid comparison. I don’t do things that makes the woods worse for me too. Look, this security issue in Windows 7 has existed since 2009. Either it is a problem, and my computer has been controlled by the Illuminati ever since, or it isn’t a problem, and my safe computer practices have kept my machine clean. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/26 "2015-09-22T17:33:14Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Stopped working recently, you mean? They’re still selling Civ 3 so clearly it ought to work. Try posting about it on the Steam forums. They have a few threads of people getting help making Civ 3 work (and others for whom it works out of the box.) So it’s probably a local problem. My problem might be related to a new Nvidia driver instead. I know that thing’s responsible for killing Locomotion and RCT 1 & 2. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/27 "2015-09-23T11:23:36Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Wow, this is a really stupid comparison. I don’t do things that makes the woods worse for me too. I know you don’t. You throw your trash in the creek, where floats away somewhere. You’re not sure just where, but it’s away from you. Your view of the woods remains unsullied. Fuck the guy downstream. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/28 "2015-09-23T12:01:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I know you don’t. You throw your trash in the creek, where floats away somewhere. You’re not sure just where, but it’s away from you. Your view of the woods remains unsullied. Fuck the guy downstream. It’s still a stupid comparison. I’m going to assume that everyone who is bitching at me in this thread has their computer protected to the maximum. So why are you worried about what happens to mine? Anyway, since my computer has been wide open for six years, the damage is done, right? Why aren’t you guys bitching at Microsoft for not fixing this six years ago, before my computer got infected and I got sent to jail for trying to hack Homeland Security? Thanks a lot, guys. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/29 "2015-09-23T12:34:44Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Look, this security issue in Windows 7 has existed since 2009. Either it is a problem, and my computer has been controlled by the Illuminati ever since, or it isn’t a problem, and my safe computer practices have kept my machine clean. 1. The security problem has gotten worse over time as SafeDisc & SecureRom on older games has become unsupported and as hackers have become more familiar with the products. 2. Those security methods were designed to interface tightly with the operating systems that were current when a particular game was released. You are no longer using those operating systems. These ancient drm schemes were not designed to work properly with your current OS. It is not Microsoft’s responsibility to update them. Microsoft is not responsible for maintaining ancient software that isn’t used any more and that they didn’t create in the first place. 3. This is not about you and your machine. Microsoft didn’t do this to make you, Frank, miserable. It makes no difference if your computer is zombified or not. You’re personal computer hygiene is irrelevant. Everyone who uses games with these unsupported DRM schemes is at risk. 4. Microsoft _has_ fixed the problem. Again, it’s not Microsoft’s job to patch non-Microsoft software. They probably don’t have the source code and it would be a copyright problem if they reverse engineered it. So, Microsoft did what they had to do, with the software to which they have access. They solved the problem in the simplest and most thorough way possible. It was the right choice. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2015, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/30 "2015-09-23T23:52:10Z")
1. And Microsoft, despite not having to, provided a way for you to override their change and still run the software. Even though you could, with a simple Google search, fix the problem yourself permanently. Just use the well-tested cracks that have existed for years. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698/31 "2015-09-24T19:34:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Just use the well-tested cracks that have existed for years. Why you gotta bring my sister into this? :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/microsoft-again-kb3086255/731698.md?page=1)