# Middle class leaning Pub for economic interests -- even though data show that's wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 16, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827 "2015-02-16T17:13:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/101 "2015-02-28T15:00:07Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Maybe with such huge majorities and NE Democrats agreeing not to filibuster but vote against the final bill. But given how much power those Democrats have in the party I think they’d be sure to include provisions shielding their well off constituents. > > We probably won’t find out, because Democrats aren’t likely to have such huge majorities anytime soon. They seem to have killed off the prospect of electing Blue Dogs for the foreseeable future. We may not be able to know for sure, but we just disagree here. I just don’t think many major Democrats are that worried about 250K vs 400K for tax increases, and I don’t think many would vote against one but not the other. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/102 "2015-02-28T15:02:51Z")
Many of them asked for a $1 million threshold, most notably second ranking Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer: > **[Schumer: Raise the tax cut limit to $1 million](https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-now/2010/11/schumer-raise-the-tax-cut-limit-to-1-million-030820)** > > Blog: Sen. Chuck Schumer proposed a compromise on the Bush-era tax cuts that would keep tax cuts for people making less than $1 million but would eliminat Pelosi backed that proposal: > **[Joint Tax Committee: Raising Threshold for Bush Tax Cuts from $250,000 to $1...](https://www.cbpp.org/research/joint-tax-committee-raising-threshold-for-bush-tax-cuts-from-250000-to-1-million-would)** > > House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's proposal to extend President Bush's income tax cuts for households making up to $1 million a year would lose nearly half of the revenue that President Obama's... ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/103 "2015-02-28T15:12:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Many of them asked for a $1 million threshold, most notably second ranking Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer: > > [http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1110/Schumer\_Raise\_the\_tax\_cut\_limit\_to\_1\_million.html](http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1110/Schumer_Raise_the_tax_cut_limit_to_1_million.html) > > Pelosi backed that proposal: > > [http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3785](http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3785) Those were attempts to compromise, not ideological proposals. I see no evidence that Schumer or Pelosi actually oppose raising taxes on 250K plus. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/104 "2015-02-28T15:21:50Z")
The Democrats simply had to do nothing to repeal all the tax cuts and the blame would have fallen on Republicans. They actually did want to shield people making over a certain amount, and if anything they would have had more leverage had they stuck together at $250K. Schumer broke ranks because he thought that was in his constituents’ interest. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/105 "2015-02-28T16:05:03Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > especially when politicians encourage it directly, and one side even takes to browbeating people for voting against their economic interests. When the wealthy consistently, vehemently vote for their economic interest against the interests of the nation as a whole, and most especially against the interests of the poor and the middle class, I think the middle class and the poor should be beaten with something a LOT more painful than a brow when they go along with it, as they so often do. We are NOT a nation of temporarily embarrassed millionaires, dammit! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/106 "2015-02-28T16:13:24Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Democrats simply had to do nothing to repeal all the tax cuts and the blame would have fallen on Republicans. They actually did want to shield people making over a certain amount, and if anything they would have had more leverage had they stuck together at $250K. Schumer broke ranks because he thought that was in his constituents’ interest. I don’t buy this. I think you’re wrong here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/107 "2015-02-28T17:23:47Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > When the wealthy consistently, vehemently vote for their economic interest against the interests of the nation as a whole . . . . . . then their actual votes would be too few to matter, if they did not also hold the power of campaign-funding. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/108 "2015-02-28T17:25:54Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > XT is a VSP? Never, ever listen to a [VSP](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_People). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/109 "2015-02-28T19:54:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . then their actual votes would be too few to matter, if they did not also hold the power of campaign-funding. Agreed. I suppose I can get around that by saying “push their agenda” instead of vote, but yeah, they run the money primary that decides who the rest of us schlubs get to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827/110 "2015-03-01T12:10:44Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Bush implemented tax cuts **at the start of a war.** I have never heard of any other national leader doing that stupid thing. And of course a giant deficit was the inevitable result. I think Hitler did something like that, but I could be wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-class-leaning-pub-for-economic-interests-even-though-data-show-thats-wrong/712827.md?page=5)