# Middle Earth FA65 D&D 5th Ed support Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Tags:** middle-earth-game\ **Created:** [October 4, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181 "2020-10-04T13:30:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/1 "2020-10-04T13:30:34Z")
Old thread here: [D & D on the Straight Dope setup thread. (In Middle Earth FA63)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/d-d-on-the-straight-dope-setup-thread-in-middle-earth-fa63/439276) Game takes place in Middle Earth in year 65 of the Fourth Age. (After the Lord of the Rings). Game is mostly 5th edition (5e) of Dungeons & Dragons. (D&D) | **Player** | **Character** | **Class-subclass** | **Race** | **Sex** | **AC** | **hp** | **dv** | **Init** | **roll** | **Mv** | **Mt** | **Note** | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | **NAF1138** | [Gwaelur](#Gwaelur) | Fighter - BattleMaster | Khazad Dwarf | M | 19/23 | 70 | 120’ | +2 | | 25’ | 40’ | The Tank | | **Glee** | [Ghân-buri-Ghân](#Gh%C3%A2n) | Druid - Shepherd | Wose | M | 20 | | 60’ | +3 | | 30’ | 70’ | Healer & Support | | **kenobi\_65** | [Ceol](#Ceol) | Paladin - Ancients | Rohirrim | M | 17 | | 0 | +2 | | 30’ | 60’ | Holy Knight | | **Hoopy\_Frood** | [Bitur](#Bitur) son of Bofur | Artificer - Battle Smith | Khazad Dwarf | M | 18/21 | | 60’ | +2 | | 25’ | 40’ | Skillster & Brick | | **John\_DiFool** | [Hejren](#Hejren) | Wizard -Divination | Wood Elf | F | 14/17\* | | 120’ | +4 | | 35’ | 60’ | Artillery | | **Elendil\_s\_Heir** | [Thoroncir](#Thoroncir) | Fighter- Cavalier | Dúnedain | M | 17/20 | | 0 | +3 **adv** | | 30’ | 75’ | Leader/Protector | | **NPC Renee** | [Gilraen Telcontar](#Gilraen) | Cleric - Life of Estë | Dúnedain (½ Elf) | F | 16\*\* | | 60’ | +4 | | 45’ | 70’ | The Princess/Healer | | **MHaye** | [Felareth Took](#FelarethTook) | BardLore3 Clknow Olorin Wiz | Hobbit | M | 17 | 48 | 0 | +3 | | 25’ | na | JOT Spellster | | **TrashDragon** | [Ninthel](#Ninthel) | Fighter -Samurai | Sindarin | F | 19 | 62 | 120’ | +5 | | 50’ | 70’ | Archer | ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/2 "2020-10-04T15:52:26Z")
Thanks, **What Exit**! Shelob has been busy… > **[Spooky spiderweb found in Missouri looks big enough to 'catch' a human | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/us/spiderweb-missouri-trnd/index.html)** > > A Missouri Department of Conservation employee snapped a photograph of a huge spiderweb, and the department's social media followers couldn't help but comment on its spooky appearance. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/3 "2020-10-04T22:18:10Z")
Just so everyone knows, the Wall of Ice is a really nice spell for these purposes. With Concentration lasts up to 10 minutes. Range 120’ Create 10 10’ square panels of ice 1’ thick. _Panels must be contiguous_ It can be used to damage, if the wall goes through the space a creature is in it has to make a Dex save or take 10d6 cold damage, half on a save. The wall is AC 12 to damage and each 10’ section takes 30hp to destroy. _But wait there is more_, if you then try to move through that spot, Make a con save or take 5d6 cold damage. Final trick, in a passage, zigzag the wall’s 10’ panels to make multiple barriers to break through. @John_DiFool ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/4 "2020-10-04T23:40:37Z")
Bitur will throw a Guidance on Felareth for his taunt performance. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/5 "2020-10-05T13:01:24Z")
So I feel like we’re close, could someone refine the plan of attack so we can proceed. Right now it looks like the plan is almost cohesive, but still some vague parts. Please propose it to the party in the game thread. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/6 "2020-10-07T01:57:12Z")
@Glee So what does Ghan do, he can cast a second concentration spell. [Faerie Fire](https://5e.tools/spells.html#faerie%20fire_phb) might be very effective. It would give everyone advantage to hit the trolls if they fail. Your poison spray could give that trolls Disadvantage to hit and do a d12 damage or of course [Conjure Animals](https://5e.tools/spells.html#conjure%20animals_phb) **©** I know Hejren will try to slow the 3 trolls. Felareth has many options listed. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/7 "2020-10-07T02:16:00Z")
If the trolls have all closed up to melee, he will cast Command on all three, spending a 3rd level spell slot to do so and giving the Command “Flee.” If two have closed up to melee he will Command both of thm spending a second level slot. If they have not yet closed to melee he will Ready to cast Command when two of them have closed to melee. When the condition occurs he will expend his reaction to cast the Command. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/8 "2020-10-07T02:28:20Z")
Did everyone see this thread: @glee@NAF1138@kenobi_65@Hoopy_Frood@John_DiFool@Elendil_s_Heir@MHaye ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/9 "2020-10-07T05:27:46Z")
Although **Ghan** will do his bit, he’s secretly quite nervous about how tough these **Trolls** are! 😨 … and we haven’t met the **Chief** yet! ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/10 "2020-10-07T11:08:32Z")
How does ‘ **Flee** ’ work? Will our Fighters get an attack of opportunity, for example? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/11 "2020-10-07T12:20:39Z")
To my reading, Flee or a Turn or a Fear should invoke opportunity attacks. Though for turn it ends the effect when it takes damage. > You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack interrupts the provoking creature’s movement, occurring right before the creature leaves your reach. > You can avoid provoking an opportunity attack by taking the [Disengage](https://5e.tools/actions.html#disengage_phb) action. You also don’t provoke an opportunity attack when you teleport or when someone or something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. For example, you don’t provoke an opportunity attack if an explosion hurls you out of a foe’s reach or if gravity causes you to fall past an enemy. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/12 "2020-10-07T13:59:06Z")
@John_DiFool; Remember, you can drop the Wall of Ice when you want to. Once the party is in position might be a good time. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/13 "2020-10-07T14:05:17Z")
DM, what is the terrain like immediately outside the Cave? Is there cover for spellcasters? Can the Knights ride around usefully? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/14 "2020-10-07T14:51:07Z")
The terrain outside is surprisingly smooth. Not perfect, but not difficult terrain either. The trolls have cleared the area for rock viewing and rock throwing out to about 700’. They’re taking no chances with those tricky long bow users ambushing them, but a benefit to your party. @NAF1138 the caverns are down to the Ice Troll Chief & 8 trolls that are sun sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/15 "2020-10-07T18:34:05Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > @John_DiFool; Remember, you can drop the Wall of Ice when you want to. Once the party is in position might be a good time. In a realistic setting chopping their way out would fatigue them. Does that happen here? Not sure why I should be in a hurry, since the extra time would allow our healers to buff up our front line bruisers, and may also negatively affect their subsequent tactics and attitudes. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/16 "2020-10-07T18:35:47Z")
The Druid & Cleric has active spells going that will not be by the time they chop through. Probably a few others. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/17 "2020-10-08T02:30:34Z")
Got battle orders from several players, waiting on the rest. Ice Troll Chief is by himself. One troll dead from too stupid to live while enraged. 7 trolls bunched up at the doorway of the cave as a Fireball followed by Wall of Thorns, followed by Slow & Entangle the 2nd round. Gwaelur going after the Chief. I assume Thoroncir & Ceol also. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/18 "2020-10-08T05:43:06Z")
I’m hopeful my **Wall of Thorns** continues to do damage for as long as the Trolls are stuck in it… ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/19 "2020-10-08T12:47:48Z")
@kenobi_65, strange thing with Ceol, you technically do more damage charging with great sword than your lance. It is the combo of the sword being +2 and getting 2d6 which as you get to reroll damage dice below 3. Seems like a very good time for your Divine Smite, I hope that is OK. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181/20 "2020-10-08T13:49:13Z")
Someone want to explain the strange death rules for Players & major NPCs? There are no negative hit points. Just 0 & unconscious or dead. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/middle-earth-fa65-d-d-5th-ed-support-thread/922181.md?page=2)