# Midway 2019 trailer is up **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 29, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246 "2019-06-29T02:34:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![txtumbleweed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/278dde/32.png) [@txtumbleweed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/txtumbleweed)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/41 "2019-07-01T02:16:49Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Feature films are works of fiction. I don’t hold them to the same standard I hold documentaries to. Just like I wouldn’t compare the accuracy of a novel to a history book. > > I judge feature films by how well they work as stories and/or entertainment. I can accept inaccurate details in things like history or science or law as long as they’re not so blatant they overwhelm my suspension of disbelief. I get that. I am not watching _Wackiest Ship in the Army_, or _Kelly’s Heroes_, or _In Harm’s Way_ expecting them to get the history correct. But they don’t purport to be history, they are movies where the war is just the background and the movies tell about the lives caught up in them. But this trailer landed a full 16" broadside right into my suspension of disbelief. Heck, I shouldn’t have to be suspending my disbelief for what is supposed to be a true story. **OttoDaFe:** I should have shown the Nautilis some love as it actually played a pretty important role in the battle. The torpedo misfire would be a great scene to have in the movie. You’ve got the terror of war, anyone in the water who could see the torpedo knew they were about to die, then the relief of survival and the absurdity of using the instrument of your death for rescue. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/42 "2019-07-01T02:44:27Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > [Moderating] > **Little Nemo** , I’m not sure how you managed to mangle the quote tags that way, but in post 33, you had a quote attributed to **terentii** and linking to one of his posts, but the quoted text was actually by **txtumbleweed**. I think I fixed it, but I’m honestly curious about how that happened. I hadn’t noticed it and I don’t know how it happened. (I have noticed that the quote function has been acting wonky for me since I “upgraded” to Windows 10 last week.) I assure you it was not intentional. My apologies to both posters and any readers for any confusion it caused. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/43 "2019-07-01T08:35:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So you’re ambivalent? Divided? Moderate? Equivocal? Uncertain? Irresolute? Dubious? Unsettled? Wavering? Iffy? Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![yendis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ed8c4c/32.png) [@yendis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yendis)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/44 "2019-07-01T09:55:47Z")
I can see no reason other than driving up the CGI budget why the movie has B-25’s from Doolittle’s raid in it. Just how scattershot is the script that they make an appearance at all. ---
**Author:** ![shstrang98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@shstrang98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shstrang98)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/45 "2019-07-01T11:31:15Z")
> [@](#): > > I was watching a documentary the other day in which a B-52 was shown bombing Italy in 1943. Wow pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/46 "2019-07-01T11:34:27Z")
Yes, everyone knows B-52s were only used in the Pacific theatre 😉 Brian ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/47 "2019-07-01T12:45:48Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Yes, everyone knows B-52s were only used in the Pacific theatre 😉 > > Brian I remember that famous shot in an old War Department film showing Slim Pickens riding Little Boy down onto Hiroshima. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/48 "2019-07-01T13:08:37Z")
> [@txtumbleweed](#): > > We have Zero’s making strafing runs at an altitude of about 10ft as they swarm down the streets of Oahu. Zero’s did strafe Hickam. There’s still bullet holes in the HQ building, according to the 2005 photo on Wikipedia. > [@](#): > > We have a flock of what might be Dauntless dive bombers swanning across the sky in the charlie-foxtrot formation. I am not sure flock is really a fair description, birds would fly an actual formation. What’s a Charlie Foxtrot formation? (Is that a slang/replacement for “cluster fuck”?) As a USN fanboi, I am just thankful that my Yorktown class actually _look_ like a Yorktown class. In the Heston film, all of the carriers have angled decks. The “Japanese” carriers are Essex’s too, but with the stock footage shown in reverse to put the island superstructure on the port side. But if you need a nitpick of this trailer from me: the ships are steaming way too close to each other in the trailer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/49 "2019-07-01T15:15:44Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > Granted I went into that movie with low-expectations and came out pleasantly surprised. It’s no “Tora Tora Tora” or “A Bridge Too Far” but miles better than any of the recent WW2 movies like “Pearl Harbor” or “Fury”. The worst part about it is the stock footage that most of the time doesn’t match the filmed aircraft at all. While not a WW2 movie on its face, **Overlord** is a fantastic movie. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/50 "2019-07-01T15:43:04Z")
> [@yendis](#): > > I can see no reason other than driving up the CGI budget why the movie has B-25’s from Doolittle’s raid in it. Just how scattershot is the script that they make an appearance at all. The Doolittle raid was a catalyst for the Midway attack (up till that point there was considerable resistance in Japanese military circles to Yamamoto’s Midway plan, but afterwards its harshest critics suddenly realized that they had been 110% behind it all along). So the Doolittle raid is at least as relevant to the background of the battle as the foot(?)age of Pearl Harbor. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/51 "2019-07-01T18:22:53Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Yes, everyone knows B-52s were only used in the Pacific theatre I thought that they roamed around the world? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/52 "2019-07-01T18:46:17Z")
Only on Planet Claire. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/53 "2019-07-01T21:41:25Z")
IIRC, the 1978 \*\*\*Midway \*\*\*opened with footage from 1944’s _ **Thirty Seconds over Tokyo** _, depicting B-25s on the Doolittle raid. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/54 "2019-07-01T22:59:06Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > If seeing crap like planes change form in midair makes me “anal,” then I’m anal. It ain’t “artistic license,” it’s the producers saying “We don’t give a shit,” and it’s jarring to the point where I lose my suspension of disbelief. :mad: Completely agree. The mis-use of stock footage completely ruined _Midway._ > [@Asuka](#): > > Fury was a great movie up until the final battle which was so stupid it should have been in a Transformers film and pretty much ruined the movie for me. That whole movie sucked on ice. You know, Fiat still owes Chrysler. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/55 "2019-07-02T03:36:07Z")
Besides all which…the CGI looks horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2019, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/56 "2019-07-02T03:51:56Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I thought it was a drama about Midway Airport in Chicago. :smack: I was hoping for a rollicking tale of how pinball manufacturers adapted to the burgeoning video game market. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/57 "2019-11-04T17:00:39Z")
I got to see a sneak peak of the new Midway film this weekend, in San Diego. TLDR: I would like to give it a thumb’s up. TSNMD (Too short, need more detail): Movie has two main protagonists, Dick Best (SBD pilot), and Edwin Layton (Signals Intelligence). No focus at all on any of the fighter jocks. Rochefort, Doolittle get honorable mentions. No love story to clutter up what is a fairly straight forward war flick. I think it did a fair job portraying the inherently dangerous job of flying (with no electronic aids) from a carrier. (Several operational accidents are shown.) The CGI was good, for the most part. My nitpicks: Flak as depicted was way too thick, with crowded aerial action scenes. Ship formations waaaay too tight as shown. Pearl Harbor attack sequence is not too long, but the attacking aircraft are shown dropping their torps from a narrow angle, when they actually dropped from the broadside. (My guess was so that the audience gets to see more of Battleship Row that way.) I would like to mention an appreciation for the (apparent to me) effort the CGI team made to make the aircraft and ships appear like their historical counterparts. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/58 "2019-11-04T18:32:27Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > I got to see a sneak peak of the new Midway film this weekend, in San Diego. > > TLDR: I would like to give it a thumb’s up. > > TSNMD (Too short, need more detail): > > Movie has two main protagonists, Dick Best (SBD pilot), and Edwin Layton (Signals Intelligence). No focus at all on any of the fighter jocks. Rochefort, Doolittle get honorable mentions. > > No love story to clutter up what is a fairly straight forward war flick. > > I think it did a fair job portraying the inherently dangerous job of flying (with no electronic aids) from a carrier. (Several operational accidents are shown.) > > The CGI was good, for the most part. My nitpicks: Flak as depicted was way too thick, with crowded aerial action scenes. Ship formations waaaay too tight as shown. Pearl Harbor attack sequence is not too long, but the attacking aircraft are shown dropping their torps from a narrow angle, when they actually dropped from the broadside. (My guess was so that the audience gets to see more of Battleship Row that way.) > > I would like to mention an appreciation for the (apparent to me) effort the CGI team made to make the aircraft and ships appear like their historical counterparts. To Be Fair (TBF, hehe), Dick Best did have an outsize effect on the attack, and if we get a bomber perspective instead of the fighters, that’s fine with me. No love stories? Great! But the CGI already seen on trailers is typical crap CGI with flat structures exploding into smaller flat structures. It doesn’t look right at all. Ehh. I’ll watch it when it reaches my house, I guess, based on your review. (2nd plug for _Shattered Sword_, the new-ish book drawn from translated Japanese records and reports by PArshall and Tully.) ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/59 "2019-11-04T19:08:41Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > (2nd plug for _Shattered Sword_, the new-ish book drawn from translated Japanese records and reports by PArshall and Tully.) I read that book. Good stuff. Whoever wrote the screenplay was NOT a fan of Nagumo. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246/60 "2019-11-04T20:35:32Z")
While I was excited to see this, I didn’t really think it would be any good. Now with four days until it opens and it hasn’t been released for reviews. Not. A. Good. Sign. :mad: ☹ :mad: ☹ :mad: ☹ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/midway-2019-trailer-is-up/836246.md?page=4)