# Might as well Pit Rick Perry. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392 "2011-08-11T23:25:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/101 "2011-08-20T17:55:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, whatever. You claimed that Bush “wouldn’t shut up” about his military record. That was not based on “…Innuendo follows, based on a solid foundation of dark suspicion and mistrust, with a few scatterings of fact and second-hand observations. Be warned…”. So, not, that was no my first clue. My first clue was your re-framing history to fit your thesis, such as it was. > [@](#): > > …I don’t remember him talking much, if at all, about his National Guard duty… Based, then, on the firm foundation of your own personal memory? Well, then, that certainly settles that, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/102 "2011-08-20T18:43:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Based, then, on the firm foundation of your own personal memory? Well, then, that certainly settles that, doesn’t it? If you want to settle it, you can prove what you said. Or at least get some other posters to agree with you (I’ve already got one who agrees with me). Or, you could just admit you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/103 "2011-08-20T19:55:26Z")
I throw myself on the mercy of the curt. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/104 "2011-08-20T20:42:24Z")
Don’t call me Curt. Or Shirley. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/105 "2011-08-20T20:50:08Z")
To hear is to obey, snugglelumps. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/106 "2011-08-20T23:20:05Z")
Oh, get a room you two! 🙂 There is hope that politicians like Rick Perry will find that the media will finally be more factually based than before regarding climate change, the Washington Post’s fact-checker gave a score of 4 Pinocchios to his lies about climate change and the accusations that he launched against the climate scientists. [http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/rick-perrys-made-up-facts-about-climate-change/2011/08/17/gIQApVF5LJ\_blog.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/rick-perrys-made-up-facts-about-climate-change/2011/08/17/gIQApVF5LJ_blog.html) > [@](#): > > Despite our repeated requests, neither spokesman provided any evidence to back up Perry’s claim that “a substantial number of scientists … have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects” — perhaps because that particular scandal appears to be a figment of Perry’s imagination. > > Perry appears to be referring to hundreds of e-mails that were stolen from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Britain and then disseminated on the Internet in 2009. One e-mail made references to adding a “trick” in the data, leading climate change skeptics to claim the data was manipulated. > > But, although Perry claimed the scientists “were found to be manipulating this data,” [five investigations have since been conducted into the allegations](http://blogs.reuters.com/environment/2011/02/25/climategate-e-mails-rear-their-ugly-heads-again/) — and each one exonerated the half-dozen or so scientists involved. > > So, in contrast to Perry’s statement, there have not been a “substantial number” of scientists who manipulated data. Instead, there were a handful — who were falsely accused. > > The Pinocchio Test > > Perry’s statement suggests that, on the climate change issue, the governor is willfully ignoring the facts and making false accusations based on little evidence. He has every right to be a skeptic — all scientific theories should be carefully scrutinized — but that does not give him carte blanche to simply make things up. > Four Pinocchios ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/107 "2011-08-20T23:33:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Oh, get a room you two! … If your idea of a hot time is a six-pack of Bud Light and Motel 6, he’s all yours… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/108 "2011-08-20T23:50:55Z")
[http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/perry-made-more-than-a-million-on-real-estate-while-in-office.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/perry-made-more-than-a-million-on-real-estate-while-in-office.html) So, no one has mentioned his astonishing acumen in the matter of real estate? (It only fair to note that this comes from the radically lefty rag, _Bloomberg_…) > [@](#): > > Texas Governor Rick Perry, who has never been paid a government salary of more than $150,000, became a millionaire while in public office through well-timed sales in the Texas real estate market… “Well-timed” Perfectly lovely choice of words. Now, before anybody rushes in to tell me how legal this all is, well, of course its all legal. Gov Goodhair simply understood that his wealthy friends and supporters had undervalued certain property, and he took the opportunity to give them a jolly good rogering. And if you find that reassuring, well, bless your heart. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/109 "2011-08-21T00:37:26Z")
I don’t see that being an issue. Unless it turns out he can’t remember how many houses he owns… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/110 "2011-08-21T01:27:51Z")
Nor has it been, loathe,these many years. Some places, Texas especially and to some degree Chicago, some places are kinda backhanded proud of a culture of poltical and financial rascality, they seem to think it makes them colorful. Or something. Hell, Lyndon Johnson went to the Senate based on ballot box 13 before I was old enough to say “proletariat”. That a young ambitious politician has generous and wealthy friends surely comes as no surprise either to the people who voted against him or the people who voted for him. Texas is just America, only louder. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/111 "2011-08-21T01:53:37Z")
He probably had some inside help, but keep in mind that it didn’t take a great deal of skill to buy and sell and make a killing in real estate during that time period. This is sort of like the Hillary commodity futures thing (I think that was it). Kind of made a stir, but certainly didn’t hold her back. I think Perry’s biggest liability is that he looks like Bush redux, without the folksy charm. But we shall see. He’s still the new kind on the block right now. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/112 "2011-08-21T02:00:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It seems no one yet has mentioned how he let an innocent man be executed. The innocence part is my own estimation, but the evidence leans heavily in that direction. At the very, very least the condemned man deserved another day in court, and any Governor with a shred of decency would have afforded him that opportunity. > > Afterwords, an inquiry was launched, which Perry effectively scuttled as the probable results became clear. If I were as religious a man as Perry pretends to be, I would recommend he spend the rest of his days in penance and good works. > > One of many sources for the sordid details: > [Cameron Todd Willingham - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham) And this is precisely why Perry can’t win the nomination. We all know that pro-Lifers are deeply concerned about innocent life. Remember how outraged they were about all the dead fetuses in Iraq? They were so livid about the missing WMDs and the lack of postwar planning that they refused to vote for Bush, causing him to lose the 2004 election. And so it will be here. The pro-Lifers will turn on Perry in droves, because when good evidence turns up that an innocent man may have been murdered by the state, they want a thorough investigation to find out what really happened. Because they firmly believe in the protection of innocent life. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/113 "2011-08-21T02:13:53Z")
Do I detect a faint note of sarcasm? ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/114 "2011-08-21T02:15:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Do I detect a faint note of sarcasm? Well, duh! ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/115 "2011-08-21T05:59:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/perry-made-more-than-a-million-on-real-estate-while-in-office.html](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-19/perry-made-more-than-a-million-on-real-estate-while-in-office.html) > > So, no one has mentioned his astonishing acumen in the matter of real estate? (It only fair to note that this comes from the radically lefty rag, _Bloomberg_…) > > “Well-timed” Perfectly lovely choice of words. > > Now, before anybody rushes in to tell me how legal this all is, well, of course its all legal. Gov Goodhair simply understood that his wealthy friends and supporters had undervalued certain property, and he took the opportunity to give them a jolly good rogering. And if you find that reassuring, well, bless your heart. He probably schooled at the knee of George Pataki who made his fortune, while governor of NY, on some Florida real estate deals under his wife’s name. We can only hope that since then it has crashed. Pataki was a tool of then Sen. Al D’amato who had more question marks than vowels in his man. Do you spell “sleeze” like that or is it spelled “SLEEZE”? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/116 "2011-08-21T19:45:39Z")
It’s spelled sleaze. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/117 "2011-08-22T21:44:40Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > It’s spelled sleaze. It pains me too much to give Rick Perry and “A” in anything. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/118 "2011-08-23T02:48:43Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > It pains me too much to give Rick Perry and “A” in anything. If only there was a reputation system. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/119 "2011-08-23T03:56:58Z")
I would like to post this quote from Molly Ivins, bless her: “Next time I tell you someone from Texas should not be president of the United States, please pay attention.” I wasn’t born in Texas, lived here since I was a kid–and I actually like it. You can see a dumbshit redneck a mile away. He’s a bit more sophisticated, but omg, dumbshit redneck. (And that’s insulting real rednecks–that’s someone who works hard all day) Perry is stunningly awful. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392/120 "2011-08-23T04:08:28Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > On the lighter side, [The many moods of Doug Niedermeyer](http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/08/caption_this_rick_perry_at_tex.php). Check out the pic on the right! Nice jackboots. We really should invite him to join the Dope; we could make him a mod. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-as-well-pit-rick-perry/592392.md?page=7)