# Might Dr. Javier Solana be THE anti-Christ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 26, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014 "2007-08-26T19:56:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/1 "2007-08-26T19:56:06Z")
A little while ago I was listening to the radio program Coast to Coast (which I recorded Friday night), and some fellow from Washington State called in (“John”) during the open-phone segment of the show and gave some reasons why he and many other “End Time” followers believe that Javier Solana might be the dreaded anti-Christ that’s mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation. Not knowing anything about the man, I Googled and YouTubed him and was struck by the fact that there indeed are some curious things about him. One of the things I find most troubling is the fact that as Secretary General of the WEU, Assembly of Recommendation #666 – granted to himself (“with the blessings of those around him,” according to the caller) gives him “emergency power” of the 10 nations he controls. (I seem to recall that Hitler did something like that … .) The caller stated that the 666 name of the recommendation was his own choice. And it seems – as the Bible predicted – he’s been very involved (since '95, I think) in going around brokering peace in the Middle East, as well as other places. Like I said, I know pretty much nothing about the man but was wondering if any of you have heard similar rumors? (Looking at vids and pics, he seems like a harmless enough fellow to me.) All in all, it seems fair to say that we live in truly frightening times, as we see all around us signs that these indeed are the “End Times” as foretold in the Bible. (The monitoring cameras and satellites and chip implants, etc., should work well as technological teeth to make it all nicely work … acting as steel jaws clamping down to seperate the goats from the sheep.) P.S. Sorry if this question might have been posted before. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/2 "2007-08-26T19:58:51Z")
I thought Thomas Kinkade was the anti-Christ? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/3 "2007-08-26T20:07:30Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] gave some reasons why he and many other “End Time” followers believe that Javier Solana might be the dreaded anti-Christ that’s mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation [/QUOTE] Actually, there’s one humongous reason why this guy **isn’t** the Anti-christ that’s mentioned in the Book of Revelation: **there is no** Anti-Christ mentioned in the book of Revelation. There’s a Beast, and a Great Whore, but no Anti-Christ. [See for yourself.](http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=antichrist&qs_version=31) The only time an “Antichrist” is mentioned is in 1 and 2 John, and is a generic warning for the believers, not a specific prediction about the End Times. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/4 "2007-08-26T20:12:29Z")
There’s another reason, too. There’s no god, no Christ, no Satan and the Bible is a book chock full of bullshit and made-up stories. ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/5 "2007-08-26T20:13:23Z")
[QUOTE=Duck Duck Goose] Actually, there’s one humongous reason why this guy **isn’t** the Anti-christ that’s mentioned in the Book of Revelation: **there is no** Anti-Christ mentioned in the book of Revelation. There’s a Beast, and a Great Whore, but no Anti-Christ. [See for yourself.](http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=antichrist&qs_version=31) The only time an “Antichrist” is mentioned is in 1 and 2 John, and is a generic warning for the believers, not a specific prediction about the End Times. [/QUOTE] Ouch! I gotta be more wary of technicalities! Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/6 "2007-08-26T20:15:30Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] There’s another reason, too. There’s no god, no Christ, no Satan and the Bible is a book chock full of bullshit and made-up stories. [/QUOTE] May I quote you on that when you and your loved ones are marched into a processing center and asked to make a choice? ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/7 "2007-08-26T20:16:49Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] May I quote you on that when you and your loved ones are marched into a processing center and asked to make a choice? [/QUOTE] Yes. We won’t be there and neither will you. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/8 "2007-08-26T20:17:08Z")
Javier - 6 letters. Solana - 6 letters. Madariaga - 9 letters. Nope. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/9 "2007-08-26T20:34:28Z")
[QUOTE=rowrrbazzle] Javier - 6 letters. Solana - 6 letters. Madariaga - 9 letters. Nope. 😃 [/QUOTE] Actually – and (hopefully) I may well be wrong on this – I think he tends to go by D-O-C-T-O-R Javier Solana. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/10 "2007-08-26T20:36:12Z")
Fortunately, the Anti-Christ’s powers are declining. Back in the nineties, Solana was Secretary General of NATO so he controlled eighteen countries including the United States. Now, as Secretary General of the Western European Union, he’s down to only the ten nations and America is free of the Dark One’s grip. ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/11 "2007-08-26T20:39:18Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] Yes. We won’t be there and neither will you. [/QUOTE] I sincerely hope you’re right. I’d feel better if you used your fine mind and explain away for me how there’s nothing to be concerned about in view of what the Bible says and some of the things I’ve brought up here regarding the person in question. Can you please try (so I can share in your confident certainty)? ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/12 "2007-08-26T20:47:47Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] Fortunately, the Anti-Christ’s powers are declining. Back in the nineties, Solana was Secretary General of NATO so he controlled eighteen countries including the United States. Now, as Secretary General of the Western European Union, he’s down to only the ten nations and America is free of the Dark One’s grip. [/QUOTE] Actually, if I’m not mistaken, 10 nations fit much better than 19 with respect to Biblical prophecies. I truly find it strange that so many folks scoff at this sort of thing; especially since we live in the world that we live in, where utterly horrible things happen all the time and that 6-billion of us are all locked up in this place and have really little knowledge of why we’re all going through this thing called life. It seems so strange to not even care. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/13 "2007-08-26T20:48:40Z")
For starters, the story of the Beast and 666 seems to be an allegory for [Nero and Rome](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/m666.html). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/14 "2007-08-26T20:50:46Z")
First, he did not choose the number 666, there were a set of security recommendations in sequence, note [Replies of the Council to Recommendations 665-673 and Resolution 103](http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/rpt/2000/1711.php). Second, he controls no countries at all. He is theSecretary General of the WEU, and claiming he controls its members is akin to claiming Kofi Annan controlled the world from his post at the UN. 3rd, Recommendation 666 gave no one any power at all – please note the word “recommendation”. If you don’t know what the means, go look it up, but is a far cry from a grant of any power to any person or organization. 4th, [here](http://www.assembly-weu.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/jun00_txts_adopted.php#P51_3072), in total (less some preliminary text about why these recommendations are being made) is Recommendation 666: > [@](#): > > **on the consequences of including certain functions of WEU > in the European Union - reply to the annual report of the Council**… > > RECOMMENDS THAT THE COUNCIL > Take the measures necessary for WEU to ensure that the collective defence commitment provided for in Article V of the modified Brussels Treaty is effectively maintained, taking account of the recent decisions concerning the European Security and Defence Policy; > > Pursue its process of informal reflection on Security and Defence Europe and include the parliamentary dimension within it on the basis of the proposals contained in Assembly Recommendation 664; > > Propose to the European Union that, on the basis of the work undertaken by the Portuguese presidency and joint proposals put forward by Britain and France, it establish a Consultative Council for the CESDP bringing together European Union member states, EU applicant countries and non-EU European members of NATO, which would meet at least twice a year at ministerial level; > > Ensure, while respecting the European Union’s decision-making autonomy, that the delegations of the non-EU European members of NATO and of the EU applicant countries have participation rights in the Consultative Council for the CESDP at least equivalent to those they have acquired in the WEU Council as associate members and associate partners; > > Propose to the European Council that the European Union sign a protocol to be appended to the Treaty on European Union, stipulating that the Consultative Council for the CESDP - without prejudice to the provisions of Articles 4 and 21 - shall make an annual report on those of its activities under the CFSP which have defence implications, to the European Security and Defence Assembly (ESDA) composed of representatives of the fifteen parliaments of the signatory states of the Treaty on European Union, representatives of the fifteen parliaments of the EU applicant countries and the non-EU European members of NATO, and representatives of the European Parliament; > > Ensure that the delegations of the non-EU European members of NATO and of the EU applicant countries have participation rights in the European Security and Defence Assembly that are at least equivalent to those they have acquired in the WEU Assembly as associate members and associate partners; > > Do what is necessary to ensure that during the transitional period WEU is in a position to respond more effectively to any requests from the European Union to develop and implement actions of the Union, anticipating them in so far as is possible; > > Assist the European Union in framing its “headline goal” of deploying and sustaining a European force capable of carrying out the full range of Petersberg missions, on the basis of the work done by WEU, in relation especially to the illustrative Petersberg mission profiles; > > Make public opinion and the political authorities in the member states aware of the need for additional funding to achieve the “headline goal”, in particular to guarantee that the said European force is militarily self-sufficient and has the necessary capability to carry out the proposed missions; > > Ensure that the function WEU currently fulfils as an essential element of the European Security and Defence Identity (ESDI) within the Atlantic Alliance is in future fulfilled by the European Union’s CESDP; > > Support efforts to set up flexible forms of closer cooperation in the framework of the CFSP and CESDP that are not strictly limited to European Union member states; > > Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency; > > Propose to the European Union that it base its relationship with NATO on a provision of the Treaty on European Union comparable with that of Article IV of the modified Brussels Treaty; > > Prepare and transmit to the European Union an in-depth assessment of its experience in the field of crisis management and propose to the Union that it base its new responsibilities in this area on a new provision of the Treaty on European Union drawing on Article VIII.3 of the modified Brussels Treaty; > > Assist the European Union in coordinating civilian and military crisis management using the CIMIC concept as a basis and inform the Assembly about this concept; > > Carry out an audit of those areas of the modified Brussels Treaty not transferred to the European Union and a study of the resultant consequences for WEU as an Organisation; > > Give the Assembly an indication of the repercussions the transfer of certain WEU functions to the EU will have for the annual report the Council has to make to the Assembly, pursuant to Article IX of the modified Brussels Treaty; > > Strengthen and extend the activities of the Torrejón Satellite Centre, taking into account all the implications of its transfer to the European Union, including the fact that it works in a configuration of 16 countries, and inform the Assembly of its findings before taking any decision on such a transfer; > > Ensure that the WEU Institute for Security Studies can continue its activities in the service of WEU and the European Union; > > From now on, give the National Armaments Directors, and WEAG and WEAO which the Council has decided should for the time being remain WEU’s responsibility, more specific guidance and a more positive political impetus, so as to strengthen European cooperation in this connection, and consult the Assembly before taking any decision on the future tasks and institutional position of such organisations; > > Take a decision on the future of the Transatlantic Forum, ensuring that the European Union is able to take advantage of the Forum’s acquis to help it organise security cooperation with the transatlantic allies: > > Ensure that all WEU bodies for a time continue their dialogue with Russia and Ukraine and consider how the acquis represented by that dialogue can be preserved if transferred to the European Union, taking account in particular of the need for continuity of the formal relations the WEU Assembly has established with both chambers of the Russian Parliament; > > Continue its dialogue with the southern Mediterranean countries and consult the Assembly before taking any decision as to the future of that dialogue; > > Oppose any solution worked out within the European Union framework that seeks to reduce associate member and associate partner participation rights in missions whose implementation is to be transferred to the European Union; > > Encourage the observer countries to commit themselves fully and without reservation to all aspects of the European Security and Defence Policy and invite their parliaments to send full delegations to the Assembly’s meetings and sessions as the Assembly invites them so to do in Order 112; > > Propose to the European Union General Affairs Council that it hold a meeting with the Assembly’s Presidential Committee as soon as possible. Relative to Solana’s position, the recommendation is to > [@](#): > > Support proposals for the WEU Secretary-General and CFSP High Representative to preside over the PSC and civilian crisis-management machinery and give him powers to convene the Council of the European Union in the event of an emergency; That is all. ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/15 "2007-08-26T20:52:50Z")
[QUOTE=Ferret Herder] For starters, the story of the Beast and 666 seems to be an allegory for [Nero and Rome](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/m666.html). [/QUOTE] I’m aware of this and how it appears to disprove the concerns that I bring up. Nevertheless, it still could be that that was wrong and these other things are right, no? ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/16 "2007-08-26T21:09:12Z")
Boyo – Thanks for the info and link. I’m a janitor by trade, not an international lawyer; and yet something smells funny. If you type in the YouTube seach box “sorry you missed the rapture”, you’ll see some stuff there that claims a lot of things that say we should all keep our eyes on this guy Solana. I can only hope that you’re right and that those other folks are a bunch of nutjobs. I guess time and events will tell. Again, Thanks Much for taking the time to go through so much trouble. I’ll look at it again (until my brain starts cramping up). ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/17 "2007-08-26T21:12:48Z")
Hmm…I can kinda see the EU becoming the new UN in Christian Apocalyptic End Time fantasies. It’s growing, secular, foreign, related to Globalization, and if they let Turkey in, will contain a bunch of Muslims. I predict more theories like this in the years to come. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/18 "2007-08-26T21:18:40Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] I truly find it strange that so many folks scoff at this sort of thing; especially since we live in the world that we live in, where utterly horrible things happen all the time and that 6-billion of us are all locked up in this place and have really little knowledge of why we’re all going through this thing called life. It seems so strange to not even care. [/QUOTE] Humanity has “lived in the world that we live in” for eons. Today’s global situation is no more dire than the global situation of 200 years ago, or 1000 years ago, or 10,000 years ago. It only seems that way to us because we’re actually HERE. In actuality, people in first- and second-world nations today are generally living the good life compared to their counterparts of 500 years ago. To somehow believe that the world is going to hell in a handbasket _today_ is to ignore the lessons of history. ---
**Author:** ![GuyNblueJeans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9bcb4/32.png) [@GuyNblueJeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuyNblueJeans)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/19 "2007-08-26T21:18:56Z")
[QUOTE=Malodorous] Hmm…I can kinda see the EU becoming the new UN in Christian Apocalyptic End Time fantasies. It’s growing, secular, foreign, related to Globalization, and if they let Turkey in, will contain a bunch of Muslims. I predict more theories like this in the years to come. [/QUOTE] When I was around 4 I saw Jesus in the sky. You can mock and laugh, but it remains a fact. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014/20 "2007-08-26T21:20:36Z")
[QUOTE=GuyNblueJeans] When I was around 4 I saw Jesus in the sky. You can mock and laugh, but it remains a fact. [/QUOTE] When I was 3 I saw the Virgin Mary standing over my bed. Of course, I was drugged up in preparation for a tonsillectomy and the Blessed Mother was actually a nurse-nun at the Catholic hospital I was at, but that’s beside the point. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/might-dr-javier-solana-be-the-anti-christ/417014.md?page=2)