# mighty white **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 4, 1999, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685 "1999-11-04T21:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/21 "1999-11-05T16:14:00Z")
\*RynKat: Hey, AWB? That roommate wasn’t a 6’5" brunette, was he? Where did you room with him? Guy I used to know always said both of those things…bugged me to death. \* Nope, 5’8" blonde in Colorado about 14 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![keystream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a3d4f5/32.png) [@keystream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keystream)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/22 "1999-11-05T17:23:00Z")
I gotta go with WeimarDog on this one. I always thought it was rascist, but anti-white, not pro-white. Especially these days, when the politically correct consensus seems to be white = bad (at least on my campus). And I’m only 18. Not much of a Beatles fan though. Now _Wings_ on the other hand. . .!!! ---
**Author:** ![MarkSerlin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@MarkSerlin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarkSerlin)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/23 "1999-11-05T17:51:00Z")
I have a pretty good idea that it has racist implications but I’m in my 40’s and have heard that phrase ever since I was a little boy. In the last 2 decades or so, its useage has dropped considerably since everyone became politically correct and Black people switched from being Coloreds, to Negros, to Blacks and finially settled on African Americans – for now. I think it stood for a condescending attitude, which was what ‘Whitefolks’ used to display to ‘Blackfolks’ pre-civil rights. (Back then, a White Man would call a Black Man ‘Boy’ no matter what the Black Man’s age was, especially in the southern US, above Florida.) Yes, I recall the seperate water fountains and wash rooms and was glad to see that nasty bit of crap end. * * * Mark “Think of it as Evolution in action.” ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/24 "1999-11-05T21:00:00Z")
OK, I’ve had some time to look it up now. Good to finally be able to get rid of the confusion. ## Paul McCartney was better known as the Liverpool Hijacker. Coldfire * * * “You know how complex women are” - Neil Peart, Rush (1993) ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/25 "1999-11-05T21:10:00Z")
That’s as opposed to **Coldfire** , the Amsterdam Thread Hijacker 😉 * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/26 "1999-11-05T21:29:00Z")
I can remember my father using the term back in the 1950s. He always used it in a very condescending way. however, since the victim of the remark never felt he was being condescended to, I have to believe the remark was not originally sarcastic. I’m pretty sure it had racial, or at least culturally insensitive, origins. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/27 "1999-11-05T22:18:00Z")
**Johhny Angel** : > [@](#): > > There was never a time, in our lives, when this term would have been seen as not having racial implications. But there is no reason to assume that it was originally a racial term. No reason to assume it at all–simply go read some nineteenth century literature (start with **Huckleberry Finn** ) and see for yourselves. I’m not trying to single out Johnny, here; his post made the easiest tie in. The phrase _always_ meant that the person referred to was displaying the higher qualities associated with the superior race. It is not at all very far removed from Kipling’s poetic address to T. Roosevelt, **White Man’s Burden**. There was nothing intended as meanness in its original use. It was simply assumed that people displaying the higher and nobler aspects of humanity were displaying the traits associated with being white. Now, that is, of course, a horrible viewpoint. In the '60s the phrase, while it still was being used in its older sense in certain parts of society, was adopted by a few smart alecks on the far left of the political spectrum as a sarcastic comment. Not exactly in the manner described by **WeimarDog** , but as an ironic comment that the person spoken to probably considered such a racist epithet a compliment. It is easy to see the slight shift that provided **WeimarDog** ’s meaning. While I may have missed some posts, every time I have seen it used around here, the poster was a sarcastic, left-leaning individual. It has lost some of its sting in the last 30 years, so it may be a fairly mild rebuke these days. (I doubt that I would use it to thank Louie Farrakhan for holding a door for me, however.) * * * Tom~ ---
**Author:** ![putrid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@putrid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/putrid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 1999, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/28 "1999-11-05T22:21:00Z")
Blimey, it’s sad to see so many here on the enlightened SDMB simply _assume_ the phrase was racist. ☹ On the other hand, it’s nice to see so many of you here open to having your eyes opened. 🙂 This topic was discussed in another (unenlightened) forum ☹ where the consensus was that the phrase’s origin didn’t matter didley, as it simply **must** be racist, and furthermore nothing which _could_ be taken as racist should ever be uttered, no matter its true origin. I personally buy the version that it uses white in the sense of white=good and black=bad. That of course is a whole 'nother _problem_, though I don’t see anyone rushing to quash the use of black humor, black temper, and other potentially (and understandably) offensive phrases. The main argument (elsewhere) against use of this phrase is the same one brought up above, that you know of cases (or only of cases) where it’s used by ignorant racists. Whether or not the phrase is a nice one we should use, I do object to the idea that ignorant racists misusing our language should be allowed to determine what’s acceptable and what ain’t. ☹ (No, this is **not** directly related to anything said above. I have no beef with any of you. 🙂 My beef is with the other forum’s posters but they’re all poopyheads and I won’t post there anymore.) ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/29 "1999-11-07T04:06:00Z")
Putrid said: > [@](#): > > . . . nothing which could be taken as racist should ever be uttered, no matter its true origin That can lead to a very niggardly use of some good expressions. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/30 "1999-11-07T19:32:00Z")
> [@](#): > > The phrase always meant that the person referred to was displaying the higher qualities associated with the superior race. I’ve already stated the evidence that this is not the case. All you’re doing is restating the opposite opinion without supporting evidence. _White_ was used as a positive term long, long before there was any racial connotation to it – about 700 years. You cannot positively tie it to the sorts of racial notions held by the likes of Kipling in the 19th century, because it pre-existed them. ---
**Author:** ![putrid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@putrid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/putrid)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/31 "1999-11-07T20:11:00Z")
Ok, then completely ignore that section of my post, and treat it as if the only thing I mentioned was my main point. I will not miss never using this particular phrase again, as I have only used it a couple of times in my life anyway. And apparently I was using it wrong. I have been enlightened, which is what I visit the SDMB for. 🙂 🙂 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/32 "1999-11-07T20:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Wow! I am stunned that, with the exception of torq, everyone here assumes that this is a phrase which would imply racism on the part of the user. When I and my counter-culture friends of the late 60s/early 70s used this phrase, it was exclusively employed to mean the exact opposite of racism on the part of the user. If I said “That’s mighty White of you”, the implication was that you were a condescending, hypocritical bastard, just like the “Man” (read: white bigot) who would generously employ a “token Black”, all the while prepared to lynch them if they looked at their daughters. In other words, you were “White”, in the worst, bigoted, racist sense of the term, rather than a free-thinking, we-are-all-brothers, revolutionary, like me. This was my reaction as well. I’ve never heard the term used in any other way. I use it myself in a way similar to this. Like say, if I hear that someone went out of their way to hire a black person, and was all proud like that made them some kind of hero, I’d say “well that was mighty white of you”… or if someone did something that in any way made them seem like racists or white trash, I’d use it. I never knew anyone who thought it was a _compliment!_ * * * – O p a l C a t [www.opalcat.com](http://www.opalcat.com) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/33 "1999-11-07T22:35:00Z")
Thank you Tom and Opalcat. I was starting to doubt my sanity, although my wife claims that there is no doubt that I am insane. For a cultural reference to the use of the term “White” in this context, you might give a listen to Gil Scott-Heron’s “No Knock”, from the albumn “The Revolution will not be Televised”, if you can find it. IIRC, the refrain is “Lyin, Cheat’n, Stealin, Killin’…and bein White”. I’d have to dig out the actual vinyl to verify, but that’s pretty close. * * * Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs. -Tom Waits ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 1999, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/34 "1999-11-07T22:39:00Z")
Uh, that would be “album”, of course. Should have been paying better attention to the spelling lessons in Junior High, instead of trying to figure out how to get laid! * * * Reality is for people who can’t handle drugs. -Tom Waits ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 1999, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/35 "1999-11-08T01:53:00Z")
I’m not saying it’s a racist term, I’m only saying that you can hardly expect to use it without it being read as racist, whether or not it’s actually racist, which I suspect it isn’t. I don’t like the idea of shunning terms which have taken on spurious negative associations, just because somebody has the wrong idea where the word came from. But you should at least be aware that if you say `mighty white’ it’s liable to be taken as a racist remark. Now, I myself have continue to use _rule of thumb_ even though it’s got a false etymology associated with it that will sometimes anger feminists – because I’ve got the documentation available that show this etymology is false. You have to pick your fights. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 1999, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/36 "1999-11-08T04:42:00Z")
I think it is pretty obvious from the times when I say it and my tone/facial expressions that I am using it as a derogatory. Basically if I say it’s “mighty white” of someone to do/say something, I’m pretty much saying THEY are racist. * * * – O p a l C a t [www.opalcat.com](http://www.opalcat.com) ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 1999, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685/37 "1999-11-08T05:43:00Z")
**Johnny Angel** : > [@](#): > > I’ve already stated the evidence that this is not the case. No. You cited a web page that discussed various meanings. However, your citation does not indicate what you would like it to. The word “white” has been used to indicate virtue or honor for a very long time, but in every instance prior to the nineteenth century U.S. (as attested by the OED) the reference is to an attribute or possession: “white honor,” a “soul that is white.” It only began to be applied to the “moral superiority” of men in the nineteenth century U.S., and only in contexts where the obvious comparison would have been between whites and non-white people. The OP was not about the use of “white” meaning “good”; the OP asked about the phrase “mighty white of you.” * * * Tom~ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mighty-white/10685.md?page=1)