# Mike Huckabee keeps blowing my mind **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 22, 2010, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073 "2010-12-22T15:09:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/61 "2011-04-07T13:40:18Z")
Wow. Just… wow. Never heard of the guy before, but at least according to Wiki he was anti-democracy, favored capital punishment for virtually everything, was a Holocaust denier, a segregationist, a racist, etc. etc. etc.: [R. J. Rushdoony - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony) ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/62 "2011-04-07T13:59:00Z")
I hope this explains everything: **Huckabee is NOT a conservative!** (Huckabee is a preacher, a liberal, entertaining, preacher) . ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/63 "2011-04-07T14:09:14Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > I hope this explains everything: > > **Huckabee is NOT a conservative!** > > (Huckabee is a preacher, a liberal, entertaining, preacher) It certainly explains _something_, although not about Huckabee. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/64 "2011-04-07T14:09:17Z")
On what fucked up planet could Mike “If You Ain’t A Christian, You Ain’t Shit” Huckabee be considered a liberal? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/65 "2011-04-07T14:23:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > On what fucked up planet could Mike “If You Ain’t A Christian, You Ain’t Shit” Huckabee be considered a liberal? There are people considerably to the right of Mike Huckabee and from their skewed perspective he is a liberal, in the same way that if you live in Los Angeles, Las Vegas is an East Coast city. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/66 "2011-04-07T17:48:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > He’s talking about Maurice Clemmons, the guy who shot four cops to death in November 2009. What did Huckabee do wrong in that case? I guess I’m asking if you oppose all executive clemency, and believe that a criminal should always serve out his sentence, or if you contend that Huckabee made some error in specifically how he handled this case. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/67 "2011-04-07T17:54:42Z")
Personally, I don’t think Huckabee did anything wrong in the Clemmons case. Bad results aren’t necessarily because everyone involved did bad things. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/68 "2011-04-07T18:57:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What did Huckabee do wrong in that case? You responded to what **Argent Towers** said in post 37; read what I wrote in post 38. I didn’t say Huckabee did any thing wrong. I clarified who **Argent Towers** was talking about in case you or anybody else wasn’t sure. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/69 "2011-04-07T20:12:56Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Personally, I don’t think Huckabee did anything wrong in the Clemmons case. Bad results aren’t necessarily because everyone involved did bad things. I’m willing to cut him some slack here too. If there was a pattern of showing clemency to violent criminals that went on to commit violent crimes, then, yeah, that’d be a problem. But one unfortunate instance? Not so much, especially since he was not alone on this. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/70 "2011-04-07T20:45:31Z")
I found the [DuMond](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond)clemency a bit more problematic since there was at least a hint of politicking to it (catering to the religious community that both hated Bill Clinton and believed DuMond’s conversion story) and the fact that there were allegations of pressure applied to the parole board. That said, it likely wouldn’t be enough to outright prevent me from voting for him (although other issues are). In an unrelated point, I would also add that I disapprove of the notion that a parole board can approve probation on the grounds that the convict leave the state - that reeks of passing your offenders off on someone else. I was frankly surprised it is allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2011, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/71 "2011-04-07T23:15:36Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > …In an unrelated point, I would also add that I disapprove of the notion that a parole board can approve probation on the grounds that the convict leave the state - that reeks of passing your offenders off on someone else. I was frankly surprised it is allowed. I’m not surprised that it’s allowed, but I’ve never heard of it actually being done before (other than in Wild West “If you wanna live, get your ass out of this county by sundown” lore). Exile is unheard-of in American criminal justice, IME, either as a sentence or as a condition of parole. That’s one of the reasons Edward Everett Hale’s _The Man Without A Country_ has such emotional weight. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/72 "2011-04-08T03:28:07Z")
> [@Mapache](#): > > This. If Huckabee isn’t a Christian Reconstructionst, (or Dominionist; I don’t think there’s much difference) then he hangs around with a lot of them ([http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/12/huckabee-dominionist.html](http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/12/huckabee-dominionist.html)). And John Rushdoony, who founded CR and has written about fifty books on the subject, said specifically that CR needs to find political candidates (starting with school boards and the like) who will hide their CR connections and act like normal, polite human beings until they have enough power to take over and start stoning gays and adulterers. Provide a cite for the latter? > [@Locrian](#): > > Priests, ministers, reverends and politicians share one and only one trait-- they lie for a living. > > Huckabee, and all those like him, should be banned from running for any type of public office. He is racist, claims the US to be a christian country, opposes hate crime legislation that includes sexual orientation and gender identity. He defines marriage as between a woman and man only and wants to pass legislation to legalize that closed and bigoted mindset. He opposes an Employment Non-Discrimination Act that protects gays, lesbians and transgender people from job discrimination. He is against civil unions. He believes wives should “graciously submit” to their husbands. > > If any of you think he’s just wooing the religious right you are dead, dead wrong. He IS the religious right. He wants to rule a fictional land called Christianville or Deludedville. > > He says, “…I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than trying to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.” > > As far as I am concerned it is the US voters duty to keep religious crap like his out of the government. The more devout, the bigger liar, the bigger racist, the bigger asshole. Anyone who supports this creature of deceit is clearly un-American and unconstitutional. I can only hope for the worst for this man is all his life’s aspects. Perhaps his loving god can treat him like Job, since he’s so faithful. > > Go to hell, Huckabee. Can’t you even get your terminology straight? How is a person who says the US should be a Christian nation a racist? Religious devoutedness has little correlation with racism. Your comments are ignorant and slanderous. That all said, I find his willingness to pardon hardened murderous dangerous (and incidentally proves he’s not a real dominionist/reconstructionist since they strongly support the death penalty especially for murder) ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/73 "2011-04-08T03:30:10Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Wow. Just… wow. Never heard of the guy before, but at least according to Wiki he was anti-democracy, favored capital punishment for virtually everything, was a Holocaust denier, a segregationist, a racist, etc. etc. etc.: [R. J. Rushdoony - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony) I think the Wiki article’s been “hijacked” by someone with some sort of a grudge against Rushdoony who’s taken certain quotes out of context. And there are a lot of Constitutionalists who draw a distinction between a republic and a democracy. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/74 "2011-04-08T04:03:36Z")
So now there must be a rogue Wikipedian telling lies about Rushdoony because a Calvinist couldn’t really be such a vile person? I used to read the [Chalcedon Report](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcedon_Foundation) magazine put out by Rushdoony’s successors. Seemed mostly innocuous, but they very culturally conservative Calvinists with some pretty drastic extra-Biblical ideas about government. For example, R. J. Rushdoony thought any tax above a ten-percent tithe to the church was heinous; I’m not sure he knew what alms were, nor cared about modern economic theories like Keynesianism & monetarism. It’s not hard to see how that sort become fellow-travelers of Objectivists & old-fashioned corrupt plutocrats; they all hate the state in general, & especially the welfare state. I put **nothing** past Calvinists/Presbyterians/Reformed Churches. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/75 "2011-04-08T04:15:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > “I almost wish that there would be, like, a simultaneous telecast, and all Americans would be forced–forced at gunpoint no less–to listen to every David Barton message, and I think our country would be better for it. I wish it’d happen.” > > > > SOURCE: [http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/…d-at-gunpoint/](http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2011/03/30/mike-huckabee-says-he-wants-americans-to-be-indoctrinated-at-gunpoint/) > > The guy is a good politician most times. He comes across as amiable and thoughtful. > > He is dangerous. He is the religious right dressed up to be a bit more palatable to main stream America. > > Don’t be fooled. [Unforgiveable!](http://www.exposay.com/david-barton-2007-saint-judes-toy-drive-at-the-david-barton-gym-in-new-york---arrivals/p/15769/7/) ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/76 "2011-04-08T16:20:06Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > On what fucked up planet could Mike “If You Ain’t A Christian, You Ain’t Shit” Huckabee be considered a liberal? Well if he was conservative he would have said “If You Ain’t A _Protestant_, You Ain’t Shit”. We are slowly making progress. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/77 "2011-04-08T20:38:59Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Provide a cite for the latter? > > Can’t you even get your terminology straight? How is a person who says the US should be a Christian nation a racist? Religious devoutedness has little correlation with racism. Your comments are ignorant and slanderous. > > That all said, I find his willingness to pardon hardened murderous dangerous (and incidentally proves he’s not a real dominionist/reconstructionist since they strongly support the death penalty especially for murder) I didn’t say he was a racist because he claims the US to be christian, I said that because of the countless attacks on homosexuals-- even denying job discrimination. And religious devoutness certainly DOES have a HUGE correlation with racism (I doubt your Mikey-boy hangs with Jews a lot. :rolleyes:), more like misogyny with him and his women denouncing comments. A baptist priest, former or current, is closed minded, period. Mikey’s comments only help to prove this when he has already expressed numerous times that he is not interested in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all. If you’re not a christian, if you’re homosexual, if you’re female, you deserve less. That’s his platform. My comments may be slanderous and perhaps ignorant, but you can say the exact same thing about Fuckabee and be absolutely right. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/78 "2011-04-08T20:49:00Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > A baptist priest, former or current, is closed minded, period. Yikes! What a relief that there’s no such thing. But it’s cool, bro, that you don’t let an obvious lack of experience and/or knowledge about Baptists keep you from forming an opinion about them. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/79 "2011-04-08T21:09:59Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I didn’t say he was a racist because he claims the US to be christian, I said that because of the countless attacks on homosexuals-- even denying job discrimination. Wait… he’s a racist because he hates gays? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-huckabee-keeps-blowing-my-mind/565073/80 "2011-04-08T21:28:05Z")
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