# Mike Lindell's company told to pay $5 million in "Prove Mike Wrong" challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994 "2023-04-20T23:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/41 "2023-04-21T21:09:08Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > No. The basis of the internet itself, and from the very beginning. It is part of the effort to make the internet (then called DARPAnet or ARPAnet) as unbreakable as possible. It doesn’t matter which route the packets take from sender to destination so if one node city is turned to glass the packets can simply route around. The packets sent over the internet could come to you over a dozen different paths before being reassembled on your end. In fact packet switching predated the Internet by a lot. Baran was writing about it in principle in 1961 - 1964, and Davies invented the term in 1965. Licklider knew about it from early days. I wrote about packet switching in a section on the Internet for a general audience book. The analogy I used was a long message to be carried by pigeon, and split into smaller messages to not overload the pigeons and make them vulnerable to hawks. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/42 "2023-04-21T21:18:16Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The analogy I used was a long message to be carried by pigeon, and split into smaller messages to not overload the pigeons and make them vulnerable to hawks. Or you could compare it to only being able to snailmail one sheet of paper per envelope. Want to mail a 250 page manuscript? You send it in 250 envelopes. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/43 "2023-04-21T21:24:17Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Or you could compare it to only being able to snailmail one sheet of paper per envelope. Want to mail a 250 page manuscript? You send it in 250 envelopes. Pigeons are more fun. I did talk about the post office as an analogy to a connectionless protocol, where when you send a letter you don’t know its path or even if it got there unless you pay extra. In any case, since the pigeons might not be able to make it all the way I got to introduce store and forward also. My editor loved it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/44 "2023-04-21T21:27:20Z")
Ah yes, good old [RFC 1149](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/45 "2023-04-21T21:27:59Z")
I assume you’re familiar with [RFC 1149](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149)? EDIT: \ ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/46 "2023-04-21T21:44:45Z")
Shaking fists is the new ninjae’d? Nice, will remember that. Concerning the packages, was one relevant part not that the packages include information about the completeness of the information received and some redundancy to guarantee that completeness? You did not just split the 250 page manuscript in 250 pages, but you also included information about how and in which order to reassemble them and what to do when a bit is missing. The total number of pages is bigger than 250 in the end, but the security of successful delivery is boosted by orders of magnitude. That is how I understood it anyway, may be wrong. Oversimplified for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/47 "2023-04-21T21:45:11Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > So in addition to the usual delaying tactics (lame appeals, “I need time to get the cash liquidated” etc), can’t Lindell just refuse to pay, tell this guy “Sue me,” and tie him up in court for a while and show empty pockets (except for paying his own lawyers), appealing to MAGA nuts to finance his pro-MAGA case? The guy already “sued” him and won. That’s why we’re having this thread. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/48 "2023-04-21T21:54:12Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s why we’re having this thread. I remain somewhat skeptical of the American legal system’s ability to exact real justice, what can I tell you? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/49 "2023-04-21T22:23:24Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > And right now there are 5 million computer engineers kicking themselves for not accepting Mike’s challenge. > > Although the fact that a Trump voter is owed the money is deliciously ironical. I suppose, but my amusement is mitigated somewhat by the fact that when (if) he gets the money he’ll probably just turn around and give it to the America-hating fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/50 "2023-04-21T22:27:22Z")
See, this is the beauty of it. The much-hated respondent (Mikey Pillows) is burdened with the first of many unpayable multi-million dollar judgements that will tank him forever. The unsavory winning plaintiff will never see one red cent, because Lindell, so the victory is both humiliating to Pillow-boy and fruitless for the rest of the bag of degenerates. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/51 "2023-04-21T22:42:52Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > They deny that events happened. “No one has ever seen the curve of the Earth.” or “Photos from space are faked.” Speaking of that I do remember that one flat earther, on another site, pointed out that space pictures are taken with a fisheye lens. and that means that curvature of the earth is fake 🤪, of course a picture used as an example did show also how the space station metal columns looked curved too, when one digitally corrected the distortion in the columns, the earth remained curved. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/52 "2023-04-22T06:32:32Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Ah yes, good old [RFC 1149](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149) Was actually implemented once. [IP over Avian Carriers - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers#:~:text=In%20computer%20networking%2C%20IP%20over,released%20on%20April%201%2C%201990). ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/53 "2023-04-22T16:37:48Z")
I wonder if Pillow would be able to deduct any of the loss. It sucks that Fox can do that. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/54 "2023-04-22T16:50:30Z")
I don’t know, is MyPillow liable, or is he personally liable? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/55 "2023-04-22T17:35:31Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > (As an analogy it reminds me more of the old days of sharing data files over usenet. You uuencode it, break it into small chunks, probably slap on a few [par](https://usenetreviewz.com/how-to-open-par2-files/) files, post the chunks. To reassemble the original file, do the steps in reverse.) A friend of mine once had the personalized license plate, **UUCP IT**. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/56 "2023-04-24T21:30:12Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Was actually implemented once. > > [IP over Avian Carriers - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers#:~:text=In%20computer%20networking%2C%20IP%20over,released%20on%20April%201%2C%201990). That’s awesome! I got the data loss through hawks right at least. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/57 "2023-10-05T17:36:55Z")
Interesting that this thread died in the same month that Lindell started to stiff his lawyers (the lawyers which, today, filed a motion to be taken off his defense): > ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/58 "2023-10-09T17:03:01Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > So in addition to the usual delaying tactics (lame appeals, “I need time to get the cash liquidated” etc), can’t Lindell just refuse to pay, tell this guy “Sue me,” and tie him up in court for a while and show empty pockets (except for paying his own lawyers), appealing to MAGA nuts to finance his pro-MAGA case? Yes, but getting an arbitration award enforced is a lot easier than proving one’s case in court _a priori._ Depending on the relevant state law, the claimant likely just has to show that the arbitratration award is not clearly erroneous. Then he can start filing liens and the like. It is difficult to discharge civil judgments in bankruptcy so this sort of thing will follow Lindell for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/59 "2023-10-09T19:26:21Z")
In other news, Pillow is puzzled as to why he lost his line of credit. If anybody loves him, this 5 mil challenge should be evidence for a psych hold. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/60 "2023-10-09T20:16:57Z")
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