# Mike Lindell's company told to pay $5 million in "Prove Mike Wrong" challenge **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2023, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994 "2023-04-20T23:18:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/101 "2024-02-24T19:29:33Z")
Who is the guy who gave him the data in the first place, and convinced him it was legit? That’s the guy Lumpy should be pissed at. He wouldn’t have come up with it on his own, or be able to interpret what he saw. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/102 "2024-02-25T13:17:33Z")
I’ve thought the same thing. Lindel isn’t smart enough to create the fake data. Certainly there is no way he could interpret it. Was it all binary? I suppose he might have stumbled across something on the internet, I mean it’s pretty easy to convert a word doc to binary. So maaayyybee he figured that out to create this BS. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/103 "2024-02-25T13:30:25Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Who is the guy who gave him the data in the first place, and convinced him it was legit? What makes you think data has to have a source? That sounds like woke liberal fake news thinking, to me. If it feels right to me, that’s all that matters. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/104 "2024-02-25T13:46:53Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Who is the guy who gave him the data in the first place, and convinced him it was legit? This guy. > **[Dennis L. Montgomery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_L._Montgomery)** > > Dennis Lee Montgomery (born July 9, 1953) is an American software designer and former medical technician who sold computer programs to federal officials that he claimed would decode secret Al-Qaeda messages hidden in Al Jazeera broadcasts and identify terrorists based on Predator drone videos. A 2010 Playboy investigation called Montgomery "The man who conned the Pentagon", saying he won millions in federal contracts for his supposed terrorist-exposing intelligence software. The software wa In ... (But he didn’t “give” it to Mikey, he sold it to him for more than a million dollars.) He is also, BTW, the guy behind Mikey’s WMD WiFi detectors. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/105 "2024-02-25T13:53:32Z")
> **[Mike Lindell paid millions to "cyber experts"; allegedly bought luxury home...](https://www.salon.com/2021/09/03/mike-lindell-paid-millions-to-cyber-experts-allegedly-bought-luxury-home-for-accused-fraudster/)** > > MyPillow CEO may have bought $1.5 million home for supposed expert — who didn't even show up at "cyber symposium" ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/106 "2024-02-25T13:59:04Z")
My question is why he would have (or claim to have) election data in the first place. I feel like if I had a bunch of election data, I’d be arrested for election fraud. I’ll have to look at the original story, but I feel like if someone told me they had election data proving there was fraud, I’d be dubious of their claim, not because I didn’t think it would prove there was fraud, but because I didn’t think they had election data. I’m guessing Mike, like Rudy, really believed that they had proof of fraud because they took someone else’s word for it without checking it out themselves. Mike didn’t check out the data himself, and is out $5m. Rudy didn’t have any proof and ended up with legal problems over it. Habba (I think it was her) didn’t see proof that there were no documents left, and found herself in legal hot water. On the one hand, this just goes to show that if you don’t do your due diligence, it’ll come back to bite you. It also proves that these people are well aware that their base will blindly believe what they’re told and, as such, are easy to manipulate. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ68hVSWkAEaOAw.jpg:large) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ68hVSWkAEaOAw.jpg:large) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/107 "2024-02-26T16:37:25Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I’ll have to look at the original story, but I feel like if someone told me they had election data proving there was fraud, I’d be dubious of their claim, not because I didn’t think it would prove there was fraud, but because I didn’t think they had election data. Sounds like evidence of fraud. Just not the fraud Lindell was thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/108 "2024-02-26T16:54:19Z")
Lumpy was the victim. ---
**Author:** ![CC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f1d935/32.png) [@CC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CC)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/109 "2024-02-26T17:20:42Z")
I just wish that the wimpy Dems would take this kind of news and promote it. It wouldn’t change a LOT of minds, but could change a few, and every little bit helps. “Mike Lindell with Trump lose $5 million trying to prove election was rigged.” ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/110 "2024-02-26T18:48:30Z")
> [@CC](#): > > I just wish that the wimpy Dems would take this kind of news and promote it. It wouldn’t change a LOT of minds, but could change a few, and every little bit helps. I don’t think it could change any at this point. A lot of reporting has shown that most “independants” have such strong leans that they may as well be aligned with one of the political parties anyway. And if the actual indictments against Trump isn’t going to shake them, the financial losses of the laugably unhinged Lindell isn’t going to do it. We’re at a point where the reporting from the SC Exit polls show that 61% of the primary voters (Republican that is) don’t believe Biden won. So everything that happened to Lindell (to those people) is absolutely caused by the sabotage Lindell claims to have happened over and over and over again. And the rest probably would just feel superior to Lindell, after all, they’re smart and canny voters who wouldn’t fall for such laughable traps. No, spend the advertising on something that -might- make a few more people hesitate - hammer on abortion issues, issues about Republicans tanking border security bill, the actual economic numbers not the version the Republicans want to share, etc. But even then, I’d say most people’s minds are unalterably made up by this point, barring Trump having a fully on dementia that can’t be waved away by even pro-MAGA networks, this isn’t going to be about changing minds, it’ll be about turnout. And Lindell is too far removed from Trump proper to change that metric IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/111 "2024-08-20T17:42:42Z")
> Minnesota federal judge Dulce J. Foster noted on Friday that Lindell has missed every deadline and has not even responded to the court. Things are going about as well as expected. > **[Judge gives Mike Lindell ultimatum in $5 Million 'prove me wrong' case](https://www.newsweek.com/mike-lindell-federal-court-minnesota-election-challenge-5-million-prove-me-wrong-1941734)** > > Lindell will have to appear in federal court if he doesn't produce his financial records by Friday. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/112 "2024-08-21T19:44:10Z")
He’s at the DNC this week getting yelled at. (But the protesters are such annoying douchebags that I almost want to side with Mikey.) > **[Mike Lindell tries to sell pillows to protesters at DNC — and it doesn't go well](https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lindell-dnc-protesters/)** > > MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell was met with hostility this week when he tried to sell his sleep products to pro-Palestinian protesters at the Democratic National Convention (DNC).While recording an interview with his Frank Speech network amid protesters... ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/113 "2024-08-21T20:29:11Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > (But the protesters are such annoying douchebags that I almost want to side with Mikey.) Was he so clueless that he thought the only protesters at the DNC would be Republicans? If not, then he was asking for that kind of reception. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/114 "2024-08-24T15:54:02Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > But the protesters are such annoying douchebags that I almost want to side with Mikey Try siding with neither and just bask in the hilarity. > [@dtilque](#): > > Was he so clueless that he thought the only protesters at the DNC would be Republicans? I could understand this mistake, but when you pull up and are met with masses of Palestinian flags, how do you not recalculate and cut your losses? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/115 "2024-08-24T16:01:02Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I could understand this mistake, but when you pull up and are met with masses of Palestinian flags, how do you not recalculate and cut your losses? ⁢ Maybe he assumed they were false flags? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/116 "2024-08-24T16:09:56Z")
This is Mike Lindell. He probably has no idea what the flag of Palestine looks like, and assumed it was a new white supremacist or Christian Nationalist flag. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/117 "2024-08-24T16:10:36Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Was he so clueless that he thought the only protesters at the DNC would be Republicans? If not, then he was asking for that kind of reception. He was 100% asking for that reception. He was trolling the libs and wanting to get some good footage of making them all mad, because in his corner of the world that counts as winning. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/118 "2025-07-10T22:49:32Z")
And now, his lawyers have been fined for using AI-generated court filings. [https://www.npr.org/2025/07/10/nx-s1-5463512/ai-courts-lawyers-mypillow-fines?utm\_term=nprnews&utm\_source=facebook.com&utm\_campaign=npr&utm\_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawLdIhZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFzN3cxU3pZQkhNYVFlc0Q0AR78Tr5Oy2CJnyTk8Qo6iQEJerBUg\_yA-AKjy4ag91bxfbI3ONJW-uUE646OCA\_aem\_eronaHvdldXeTIbCGriXAQ](https://www.npr.org/2025/07/10/nx-s1-5463512/ai-courts-lawyers-mypillow-fines?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwY2xjawLdIhZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFzN3cxU3pZQkhNYVFlc0Q0AR78Tr5Oy2CJnyTk8Qo6iQEJerBUg_yA-AKjy4ag91bxfbI3ONJW-uUE646OCA_aem_eronaHvdldXeTIbCGriXAQ) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/119 "2025-07-10T23:07:34Z")
In for a penny, in for a pounding? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mike-lindells-company-told-to-pay-5-million-in-prove-mike-wrong-challenge/982994/120 "2025-07-11T00:32:41Z")
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