# Mild Pitting of Beck **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 12, 2024, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691 "2024-10-12T05:25:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/441 "2024-10-15T17:12:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I think it’s telling that you immediately take a mean-spirited position like this when there’s a much simpler and more charitable explanation for some posters defending **Beck** , namely that they feel empathy for her. Ok. That’s your prerogative. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I’m pretty sure that she finds those attacks very hurtful, and is probably genuinely mystified by the enormity of this pile-on. Possibly because even a forum that’s been around a while and where several people get to know each other beyond normal internet anonymity is still almost the worst place to expect anything else. It may feel like a pile-on but this thread has been remarkably civil compared to most Pit threads. You can tell most people don’t feel any real animosity, no matter how the comments are taken. Perhaps because I’m not that familiar with Beck (like I genuinely did not know about her health issues until this thread blew up), but that’s my point - a general interest internet forum is a terrible place for whatever this is. Expecting everybody to be sufficiently familiar with every user and their entire posting history rather than a loose smattering is setting an unrealistic bar. And even then, expecting people to react in certain ways is still unrealistic. It’s still unhealthy white knighting. If Beck needs help or a supportive personal group, then the encouragement should be to find an appropriate venue for it. Because this forum ain’t it and simply can’t be by its very nature. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/442 "2024-10-15T17:16:24Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > There have been several instances in which **Beck** has been fairly criticized in a non-hostile fashion and has promised to correct the pertinent problems. If she actually does, then fine. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/443 "2024-10-15T17:21:46Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > I, myself, swing wildly between tongue tied and nervous babbling. Me too! I think I appear smarter when I keep my mouth shut . ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/444 "2024-10-15T17:26:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > There have been several instances in which **Beck** has been fairly criticized in a non-hostile fashion and has promised to correct the pertinent problems. > > If she actually does, then fine. Acknowledging the boards definition of _hijack_, and that the highjack is started by the original poster and not the posters that respond, would be a fine start. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/445 "2024-10-15T17:40:50Z")
She isn’t declaring that it is objective, absolute truth. She made it clear it is her opinion. I’m not understanding the resulting vitriol. Is this guy a friend of the OP or something? He seems personally offended by opinions that aren’t even about him. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/446 "2024-10-15T17:43:05Z")
It is my opinion that you are a fuckwit. See how that works? Pulling opinions out of your ass is not a get out of jail free card, just because you label them opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/447 "2024-10-15T17:55:31Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > It is my opinion that you are a fuckwit. > > See how that works? No, because her opinion wasn’t of the OP like your opinion is of me, it was an opinion about a different person altogether who isn’t a relative or even a friend of the OP. At least no such relationship was indicated. So, again, I have to wonder at the emotion produced by a statement such as, “I don’t think the guy can cook.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/448 "2024-10-15T18:00:30Z")
An opinion was given, and various opposing opinions arose. Isn’t that how it is supposed to work? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/449 "2024-10-15T18:02:32Z")
“It’s my opinion that Anthony Fauci is involved in a giant conspiracy to genetically engineer us into a docile population.” Just my opinion. Why are you getting all emotional? Are you part of the conspiracy? “Blue cheese does not belong in a tater tot bake. Adam Ragusia doesn’t know anything about midwestern cuisine.” See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/450 "2024-10-15T18:08:08Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > So, again, I have to wonder at the emotion produced by a statement such as, “I don’t think the guy can cook.” It was what followed the “I don’t think the guy can cook.” that caused the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/451 "2024-10-15T18:10:28Z")
Thread started as a joke by you saying you probably wouldn’t respond, and continues as a joke by a few participants. Definitely not “inspired by Czarcasm” unless you actually make it about yourself in general and actually participate. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/452 "2024-10-15T18:14:32Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I have to wonder at the emotion produced by a statement such as, “I don’t think the guy can cook.” This is what I’ve been thinking and why I posted what I did. It’s not that I don’t understand pittings; it just doesn’t seem pit worthy. I read her post(s) and I did think it a bit odd, but some of you are saying you’re so offended and that seems out of character / hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/453 "2024-10-15T18:16:06Z")
Some of us are more bothered by sexist behavior than others. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/454 "2024-10-15T18:19:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Definitely not “inspired by Czarcasm” unless you actually make it about yourself in general and actually participate. Cool story, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/455 "2024-10-15T18:22:06Z")
Not so cool dodge, bro. Don’t blame me for your weak ass “joke”-That thread wasn’t “inspired” by me. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/456 "2024-10-15T18:40:10Z")
You said.we haven’t had an ask a generic person thread, and that inspired me to start an ask a generic person thread, that is an objective fact. Your angry response to that surprises me, but it probably shouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/457 "2024-10-15T18:57:22Z")
“Angry”? Not really, although that excuse to dismiss differing opinions has been used in the past, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/458 "2024-10-15T19:09:27Z")
I tally four different types of complaints about Beck’s posting, and I think some of her defenders (as well as Beck herself) are missing or ignoring some and focusing on others. 1. Her folksy style and bad bad threads. Everyone complaining about these and telling her to get a blog can fuck right off. You don’t like her style? That’s a you problem. You don’t want to read her threads? Her defenders are absolutely right on this. It is trivially easy to scroll past them. I don’t like those threads so I don’t read them. Problem solved. 2. Jumping in on FQ threads with personal anecdotes and musings. This was super annoying when she started doing it earlier this year, but as far as I’ve noticed, she stopped when people complained. Awesome! Sincerely, good job, Beck. You listened and learned. 3. Her judgmental and sometimes sexist posts. These rightfully get pushback, same as anyone else would get. She is free to express her opinions, and no one is suggesting otherwise. Everyone else is free to tell her she’s being judgy and sexist. None of these would probably lead to a Pit thread by themselves. 4. Her reaction when anyone tells her she’s being judgy and sexist. She doesn’t apologize, reexamine her views, or even just argue her point. Instead, she attacks people, tries to shut down the conversation, complains that she can’t have opinions (false), accuses people of hate speech (bizarre), and generally plays the victim. This is the stuff that is infuriating and leads to Pit threads. So if you want to defend her, great. But don’t just address behaviors #1 and #3. Explain why #4 is OK and why she should be immune from pushback for it. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/459 "2024-10-15T20:35:31Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > she attacks people, I don’t think she generally attacks SDMB posters, though I’m open to examples proving me wrong. I guess one cite I gave in this thread, way back in post #93 on October 12 (remember that long-ago time, hundreds of posts ago?) did show her calling someone a “jerk,” but that’s a pretty mild attack in these parts (and her epithet was in the Pit, so not out of line). She can be rude, for sure, but that’s not the same as attacking. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691/460 "2024-10-15T21:10:47Z")
Telling people to “shut up” is a direct attack, but that was just a few times. It’s more her tendency to accuse others of being out to get her, accusing them of wanting to silence her, saying they are being mean for fun or just for the sake of being cruel. She isn’t listening to the actual complaints, and is instead making it personal. It’s “attack” as the mods often use it here when moderating “personal attacks”: her responses are about the person, not the argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-beck/1008691.md?page=24)