# Mild 'pitting' of Rick; Vehement opining in GQ **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 13, 2008, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891 "2008-08-13T20:48:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/21 "2008-08-14T12:35:49Z")
[QUOTE=chorpler] Wait, I’m confused. Wouldn’t that mean you’re sealed into the car with the (presumably armed) hijacker? And wouldn’t that just make them more inclined to kill you and get the locking/unlocking remote from you? Or did I misunderstand? [/QUOTE] bullet proof partition between driver’s seat and rear of vehicle. Driver hits lock switch bad guy can’t get out. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/22 "2008-08-14T13:04:52Z")
Well, if everyone thinks I’m wrong then maybe I need to re-evaluate what the heck my problem was. My apologies **Rick** , I think I just had my ‘slightly annoyed in a nebulous sort of way’ filter turned up extra high yesterday. If only there was a way to lock that off from the outside so it couldn’t get out . . . 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/23 "2008-08-14T14:36:17Z")
Man, you had to go and say that? Now **Rick** ’s not going to even get the half-point for his Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/24 "2008-08-14T14:51:55Z")
[QUOTE=Eonwe] Well, if everyone thinks I’m wrong then maybe I need to re-evaluate what the heck my problem was. My apologies **Rick** , I think I just had my ‘slightly annoyed in a nebulous sort of way’ filter turned up extra high yesterday. If only there was a way to lock that off from the outside so it couldn’t get out . . . 🙂 [/QUOTE] No worries, it’s all good. **Silenus** 🆒😃 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/25 "2008-08-14T15:07:38Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Man, you had to go and say that? Now **Rick** ’s not going to even get the half-point for his Pitting. [/QUOTE] Well, I did see him eyeing the bottle of Scotch I won at the last Dopefest (thanks again, **silenus** ) so I’ll **Pit** him for that instead. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/26 "2008-08-14T15:13:39Z")
How’d you win it? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/27 "2008-08-14T15:28:53Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] How’d you win it? [/QUOTE] Let’s just say a [Smith & Wesson may beat four aces, but a Walther P99 has more firepower.](http://blok.rozanek.cz/wp-content/james-bond-daniel-craig-casino-royale.jpg) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/28 "2008-08-14T15:28:59Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] I swear I have landed in some bizarro world SDMB. **DDG** The link in your first post was to the story about the kid that died. No mention of brand or anything else. You brought up the locking the bad guy in the OP. I replied to that post in post #6, and corrected your errors of fact. In post #7 you posted a link to a a Ford **Expedition**. now in this thread you are ranting about a Ford \*\*Explorer \*\*, and complaining that I did not answer your question. [/quote] First off, I wanna say that I’m not here to Pit you, okay? 🙂 I always like reading your stuff, you are very knowledgeable about cars, and always very helpful. I truly wasn’t ranting or complaining, I was just pointing out to **Eonwe** that the reason I came back with something else was that my question _wasn’t_ answered, as his post made it sound like I completely ignored everything everybody had said up to that point and came back with something irrelevant. Which I didn’t. Second, sorry, but I’m not seeing what “errors of fact” in my OP you corrected in Post #6. Third, “Explorer”, “Expedition”, bah, what’s the diff? 😃 Seriously, though, they’re both SUVs (both Fords, too, so hey, at least gimme some points for _that_ 😃 ), and since we’re talking about high-security SUVs in general, I think the distinction is beside the point, albeit obviously of consuming interest to a Car Geek such as your esteemed self. 😃 > [@](#): > > _Now in front of the entire SDMB, the squid, the goats, and hamsters allow me to apologize._ Nothing to apologize for. > [@](#): > > _To answer your question, the reason for the lock the car so you can’t get out is so if you are driving and someone tries to hijack the car from the inside (You thought they were a good guy but they turned out to be a bad guy), they can’t get away. (see the movie Air Force One for more details.) Pretty hard to kidnap someone if you can’t get out of the fucking car._ Okay, so, I’m not getting this, either, along with **Chorpler**. This only works as a life-saver if the bad guy is in the opposite seat from yourself–if he’s in the back and you’re in the front and your high-security SUV has a bulletproof glass partition. Or if he’s in the front and you’re in the back, ditto. And he doesn’t have one of your Loved Ones in the seat with him. See, what I’m having trouble with is why this is even offered as a feature, when there seem to be a number of reasons why it’s pointless. [ul][li] All you can do is trap a bad guy in car–then what?[/li][li] How did he get in the car in the first place, if it has unbreakable windows? The assumption here has to be that you left the car unlocked.[/li][li] If he’s a kidnapper in the car with you, (a) he has to be in the opposite seat and (b) your car has to have a bulletproof partition.[/li][/ul] All those seem to add up to the fact that the likelihood that you’d ever need to use this feature would be pretty remote. When I started the thread, I thought somebody would come in and say, “Oh, yeah, you wanna have that feature because of …” And there’d be a real illuminating reason and I’d go, hey thanks. But so far, not. Thus I’m going with “Aftermarket tweak to appeal to the More-Is-Better Safety First boardroom crowd”. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/29 "2008-08-14T17:15:08Z")
Bulletproof partitions make a woosh sound when you lock them. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/30 "2008-08-14T17:33:24Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] bullet proof partition between driver’s seat and rear of vehicle. Driver hits lock switch bad guy can’t get out. [/QUOTE] Ah, okay, I was thinking of it as the hijacker being in the passenger’s seat up front. I guess in that case you have to try Larry Niven’s technique of speeding up to 100mph and telling him to throw the gun out the window or you’ll obliterate the passenger side of the vehicle against the next concrete pylon you see, “and the driver’s side will have to take its chances.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/31 "2008-08-14T17:33:27Z")
[QUOTE=Duck Duck Goose] But so far, not. Thus I’m going with “Aftermarket tweak to appeal to the More-Is-Better Safety First boardroom crowd”. [/QUOTE] Keep in mind that, although the vehicle this kid’s parents let him die in had “bulletproof” windows, 99.99% of cars with this feature don’t. Also, if they spent that much money making the windows “bulletproof”, they should have used [one way bulletproofing](http://science.howstuffworks.com/question476.htm) , to make it easier to kick the windows out. [QUOTE=Stranger On A Train] Let’s just say a [Smith & Wesson may beat four aces, but a Walther P99 has more firepower.](http://blok.rozanek.cz/wp-content/james-bond-daniel-craig-casino-royale.jpg) Stranger [/QUOTE] You mugged him? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/32 "2008-08-14T18:12:21Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Keep in mind that, although the vehicle this kid’s parents let him die in had “bulletproof” windows, 99.99% of cars with this feature don’t. Also, if they spent that much money making the windows “bulletproof”, they should have used [one way bulletproofing](http://science.howstuffworks.com/question476.htm) , to make it easier to kick the windows out. You mugged him? :eek: [/QUOTE] umm, can I see a cite that this car had bullet proof windows and not just run of the mill anti-smash windows like what is on numerous Mercedes, Jag, Lexus, Infinity, Volvo and several other makes? ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/33 "2008-08-14T18:51:50Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] umm, can I see a cite that this car had bullet proof windows and not just run of the mill anti-smash windows like what is on numerous Mercedes, Jag, Lexus, Infinity, Volvo and several other makes? [/QUOTE] Since the news article referred to the vehicle as a “very high security new model car” and as a “security SUV”, and since [this article](http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Holiday-Teenager-Trapped-In-Hot-Car-Dies-On-Caribbean-Island-Of-Guadeloupe-After-Left-By-Parents/Article/200808215076265?lpos=World%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15076265_Holiday%2BTeenager%2BTrapped%2BIn%2BHot%2BCar%2BDies%2BOn%2BCaribbean%2BIsland%2BOf%2BGuadeloupe%2BAfter%2BLeft%2BBy%2BParents%2B) describes it as a “high-security 4x4 vehicle”, I would assume that it was more along the lines of the armored anti-kidnapping Ford Expedition, rather than simply a standard sedan with anti-smash windows. There aren’t any other news articles that I can find about it. And anyway, can’t a determined person kick out anti-smash windows from the inside? It’s just a plastic and glass sandwich, meant to deter thieves, not prevent you from breaking out of your car after a wreck. Since the article says he was “hitting the reinforced windows” to no avail, I’d assume that yeah, it had the bulletproof glass. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/34 "2008-08-14T18:59:24Z")
Yeah, probably conflating some statements, most notably one made by **DDG** saying that we were talking about high security SUVs, and your bulletproof partition plan. Moot point. The unsettled point is… **Stranger** mugged you? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/35 "2008-08-14T19:34:51Z")
What the fuck was this car? That´s what we need to figure out. The French Carribean is not Somolia. Sure, you might have some wallet snatchers, but I don´t think you need an armored vehicle with a pop up twelve seven turret. I susspect that the car in question was just a regular car with the anti-theft deadbots. ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/36 "2008-08-14T19:39:36Z")
And having been to a fair amount of Caribbean islands, ransom kidnappings are going to be rare, as there´s not really a good place to hide. Getting some kind of custom ass kicking truck on to the island is not going to be a small task. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/37 "2008-08-14T19:42:02Z")
[QUOTE=Duck Duck Goose] Since the news article referred to the vehicle as a “very high security new model car” and as a “security SUV”, and since [this article](http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Holiday-Teenager-Trapped-In-Hot-Car-Dies-On-Caribbean-Island-Of-Guadeloupe-After-Left-By-Parents/Article/200808215076265?lpos=World%2BNews_0&lid=ARTICLE_15076265_Holiday%2BTeenager%2BTrapped%2BIn%2BHot%2BCar%2BDies%2BOn%2BCaribbean%2BIsland%2BOf%2BGuadeloupe%2BAfter%2BLeft%2BBy%2BParents%2B) describes it as a “high-security 4x4 vehicle”, I would assume that it was more along the lines of the armored anti-kidnapping Ford Expedition, rather than simply a standard sedan with anti-smash windows. There aren’t any other news articles that I can find about it. And anyway, can’t a determined person kick out anti-smash windows from the inside? It’s just a plastic and glass sandwich, meant to deter thieves, not prevent you from breaking out of your car after a wreck. Since the article says he was “hitting the reinforced windows” to no avail, I’d assume that yeah, it had the bulletproof glass. [/QUOTE] Many car companies refer to anti-smash glass as high security glass or security glass. You do realize that, if in fact, it was an armored vehicle is would not be a rental, so all the comments in both threads about rentals are rendered moot. Have any of you ever seen an armored vehicle up close? I have, and I can tell you that as hard as it would be to smash the windows on a car with anti-smash glass, on an armored car it is flat impossible. A single door off of an armored Volvo weighs somewhere around 500 lbs. The company has to add a third hinge to support the door. The glass is a good 3" thick. I seriously doubt that it was in fact an armored vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/38 "2008-08-14T19:53:09Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] The unsettled point is… **Stranger** mugged you? :eek: [/QUOTE] [Well, he should have armed himself if he was going to make off with my Scotch.](http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/WanadooFilms/Western/UnforgivenClint.jpg) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/39 "2008-08-14T20:08:10Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Many car companies refer to anti-smash glass as high security glass or security glass. You do realize that, if in fact, it was an armored vehicle is would not be a rental, so all the comments in both threads about rentals are rendered moot. Have any of you ever seen an armored vehicle up close? I have, and I can tell you that as hard as it would be to smash the windows on a car with anti-smash glass, on an armored car it is flat impossible. A single door off of an armored Volvo weighs somewhere around 500 lbs. The company has to add a third hinge to support the door. The glass is a good 3" thick. I seriously doubt that it was in fact an armored vehicle. [/QUOTE] That´s what I´m saying. It´s hard enough to get a decent pocket knife in the Carib, let alone a truck like is what is being envisioned here. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891/40 "2008-08-14T20:27:52Z")
I agree completely. I started my post before yours was there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mild-pitting-of-rick-vehement-opining-in-gq/459891.md?page=3)