# Military Aviation buffs, take a look.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [October 2, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227 "2008-10-02T20:22:13Z")\
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**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/1 "2008-10-02T20:22:13Z")

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[http://www.nytimes.com//?oref=login](http://www.nytimes.com//?oref=login)  
Not sure how long it will stay but here is a top down view of the USS Intrepid heading back to it’s home after repairs. The Intrepid is a museum ship in NYC,  
I can ID the SR-71 and the F-14 is parked next to it. God the F-14 looks huge.

What else can you identify on deck?

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**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/2 "2008-10-02T23:16:03Z")

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E2-C AWACs plane; it’s the dual turbo prop one with the saucer on top of it.

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**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/3 "2008-10-03T00:09:03Z")

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Boo hoo… ☹

Can’t see the picture.

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**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/4 "2008-10-03T03:32:50Z")

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I think the Intrepid’s SR-71 is actually an A-12. Single seat version of the Blackbird.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/5 "2008-10-03T03:35:15Z")

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Is there a direct link?

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**Author:** ![dynamitedave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ed655f/32.png) [@dynamitedave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dynamitedave)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/6 "2008-10-03T04:47:49Z")

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> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Is there a direct link?

Try [this](http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/10/02/nyregion/20081003_INTREPID_SLIDESHOW_index.html)

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**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/7 "2008-10-03T06:00:33Z")

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The four helicopters are (I think) are an [HO4S](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-19), an [SH3](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SH-3_Sea_King), a [Huey](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois) and a [Cobra](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_Cobra).

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**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/8 "2008-10-03T08:17:38Z")

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> [@dynamitedave](#):
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> Try [this](http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/10/02/nyregion/20081003_INTREPID_SLIDESHOW_index.html)

Holly molly, don’t you have a bigger one? :eek:

**Johnny L.A** , the A-12 has a different nose from the SR-71, the fuselage fairings didn’t extend all the way to the tip because it actually housed a targeting radar in there. So it had a normal looking round cross section radome. So it’s a SR-71.

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**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/9 "2008-10-03T11:00:41Z")

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Top left is a F-4 Phantom II, I believe.

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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/10 "2008-10-03T11:02:02Z")

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The one next to the F-14 Tomcat looks like it could be an A-6 Intruder. One of the blue-and-yellow planes looks like the colours of the Blue Angels squadron, which would mean it’s a F-18 Hornet.

I don’t recognise the delta-winged plane at the back of the carrier: it’s too small to be an F-102 or F-106, and the fighters it _does_ remind me of are French designs.

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/11 "2008-10-03T11:21:46Z")

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[Here’s the museum website.](http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/The-Intrepid-Experience/Air/Aircraft-Collection.aspx)

It’s an A-12.

There are a number of foreign aircraft, and some of their collection is apparently out of sight on the hangar deck below, including a Condorde.

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**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/12 "2008-10-03T11:22:46Z")

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> [@Grumman](#):
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> The one next to the F-14 Tomcat looks like it could be an A-6 Intruder. One of the blue-and-yellow planes looks like the colours of the Blue Angels squadron, which would mean it’s a F-18 Hornet.
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> I don’t recognise the delta-winged plane at the back of the carrier: it’s too small to be an F-102 or F-106, and the fighters it _does_ remind me of are French designs.

They have a French Entendard – maybe that.

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**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/13 "2008-10-03T11:34:55Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> They have a French Entendard – maybe that.

It was the Kfir, an Israeli fighter based on the French Dassault Mirage. So I was right after all. I got the A-6, too, but Blue Angels plane was a F-11 Tiger, not a F-18.

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**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/14 "2008-10-03T15:04:18Z")

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The aircraft right in front of the A-12 appears to be the F-16. The light blue aircraft near the curved boat wake on the port side, angled deck looks like the FJ-3 Fury. The one to it’s left (orange) is a MiG-21, and to the right (green) appears to be the MiG-15 or 17.

I was a Stinger Missile Officer way back when, and ACID (Aircraft Identification) was a big part of the training. This was almost 20 years ago, so I could be rusty.

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**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/15 "2008-10-03T15:09:48Z")

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> [@Grumman](#):
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> …I don’t recognise the delta-winged plane at the back of the carrier: it’s too small to be an F-102 or F-106, and the fighters it _does_ remind me of are French designs.

Could it be a Mig 21?

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**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/16 "2008-10-03T17:55:39Z")

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> [@UncleBill](#):
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> The aircraft right in front of the A-12 appears to be the F-16. The light blue aircraft near the curved boat wake on the port side, angled deck looks like the FJ-3 Fury.

I thought the light blue one may be an F-86. An A-4 next to the blue angels F-11?

Edit, disregard the F-86 comment, essentially the same as an FJ-3.

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**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/17 "2008-10-03T18:01:08Z")

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And probably the Macchi 339 rather than a blue A-4 next to the F-11.

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**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/18 "2008-10-03T19:51:28Z")

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Top left is not an F-4; bottom row third from the left is.

The Blue Angels plane on the right is an A-4, not an F-18.

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**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/19 "2008-10-03T20:03:47Z")

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[quote=“1920s Style “Death Ray”, post:17, topic:466227”]

And probably the Macchi 339 rather than a blue A-4 next to the F-11.  
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Upon further review I agree with this. The Blue Angels plane does look like the F-11, not the A-4. Wish I had a higher res picture, the shadows made it hard to distinguish the swept wings from the delta.

The A-4 must be below deck then; no other plane on that deck even comes close to looking like one.

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**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/military-aviation-buffs-take-a-look/466227/20 "2008-10-03T20:18:32Z")

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Duh! The second link ( **dynamitedave** ’s) goes to a slideshow, where there are a few closer shots of various aircraft.
