# milk

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [January 20, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152 "2012-01-20T18:01:47Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/1 "2012-01-20T18:01:47Z")

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Whats the health benefits,if any,of non fat,skimmilk.Is i vitaman D deefishnt.

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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/2 "2012-01-20T18:05:57Z")

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Reported for subforum move.

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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/3 "2012-01-20T18:26:33Z")

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Reported for re-education on basic grammar, spelling and punctuation.

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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/4 "2012-01-20T18:29:30Z")

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Reported for space violation.

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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/5 "2012-01-20T18:43:20Z")

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Moved to General Questions from ATMB so we can find out if vitamin D deficiency causes spelling failure and overpunctuation.

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**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/6 "2012-01-20T18:44:04Z")

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Skimmed milk has less fat than regular milk so it is less fattening. Also, I think regular milk fat is high in saturated fat, which tends to raise cholesterol levels more than less saturated fats (such as many vegetable oils) will. For these reasons, it may be healthier for many people than regular milk. I drink it.

I believe that in the USA, and probably a lot of other countries, extra vitamin D is routinely added to milk, so regular skim milk will not be deficient in it. (If you bought skimmed organic milk, or something like that, it might be a bit low in the vitamin, but not regular supermarket stuff.)

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [January 20, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/7 "2012-01-20T18:51:19Z")

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In some countries, vitamin D is not added to non-skim milk, but it is added to skim and semi. In any case, the health advantage of skim milk is that it’s got less fat (which is an advantage only if you’re trying to eat relatively low-fat), and the vitamin D is added to skim milk to compensate for the amount the skimming takes away. Vitamins D and A are more soluble in fat than in water, so the skimming takes off much of them; hence, adding them back.

The amounts will vary by country, but many have regulations on the % of proteins, vitamins and other components milk must have, as well as on the composition of the proteins themselves. For example, in Spain lactose-free milk cannot be labeled “milk” because it meets these standards with regards to everything except the lactose content; it gets labeled as a “dairy product” instead. In other countries, lactose-free milk is labeled “milk”.

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**Post date:** [January 21, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/8 "2012-01-21T00:04:00Z")

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**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/9 "2012-07-22T20:54:10Z")

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> [@ronaldlhammons\_yahoo.com](#):
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> Whats the health benefits,if any,of non fat,skimmilk.Is i vitaman D deefishnt.

A recent review failed to find **any** benefit to consuming skim milk over whole milk in terms of obesity, cardiovascular disease, and metabolic disease:

[http://www.springerlink.com/content/1665l525j917h055/?MUD=MP](http://www.springerlink.com/content/1665l525j917h055/?MUD=MP)

Below is a summary of the findings from one of the paper’s authors:

> **[New Review Paper by Yours Truly: High-Fat Dairy, Obesity, Metabolic Health...](http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/07/new-review-paper-by-yours-truly-high.html#more)**
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> My colleagues Drs. Mario Kratz, Ton Baars, and I just published a paper in the European Journal of Nutrition titled " The Relationship Betwe...

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> Here are our basic findings:
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> High-fat dairy consumption is not associated with obesity, in fact, 11 out of 16 studies found that higher dairy fat intake is associated with lower body fat and/or less fat gain over time. None identified an association between high-fat dairy consumption and fat gain, although some did find an association between low-fat dairy consumption and fat gain.
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> High-fat dairy consumption is not associated with poorer metabolic health. Six of 11 studies found that higher high-fat dairy consumption is associated with better metabolic health, while only one found that it was associated with one marker of poorer metabolic health (and this study used an odd design).
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> The association between high-fat dairy intake and diabetes risk is inconsistent. Zero of eight studies found that high-fat dairy consumption is associated with diabetes risk, and three found that it was protective. However, three studies also found that low-fat dairy intake was inversely associated with diabetes risk, compared to no association with high-fat dairy, suggesting by inference that the fat content of the dairy could be harmful. These studies all adjusted for body fatness. Since body fatness is a key risk factor for diabetes, and dairy fat intake is inversely associated with body fatness, this is obviously a major confound. We discussed this and other potential confounds in the paper.
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> The evidence on cardiovascular disease is inconsistent, with a number of studies suggesting a protective association, a few suggesting a harmful one, and several suggesting no association.
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> Dairy fat is a complex substance. There are major differences in the fatty acid composition of dairy from pasture-raised vs. conventionally raised cows, and many of these fatty acids are bioactive and could influence human health.
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> We also discuss the limitations of observational studies in some detail, and many other issues that I won’t touch on here.

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**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/10 "2012-07-23T04:49:32Z")

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It does a body good.

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**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/11 "2012-07-23T04:56:01Z")

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> [@ronaldlhammons\_yahoo.com](#):
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> deefishnt

This word has to win some kind of prize.

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**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/12 "2012-07-23T05:22:02Z")

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> [@panache45](#):
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> > [@ronaldlhammons\_yahoo.com](#):
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> > deefishnt.
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> This word has to win some kind of prize.

It refers to the processing of removing the fish from milk, which is why they have to artificially add the Vitamin D back in.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/13 "2012-07-23T05:34:53Z")

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> [@Senegoid](#):
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> It refers to the processing of removing the fish from milk, which is why they have to artificially add the Vitamin D back in.

I thought it was the meshy thingy you catch fish with.

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**Author:** ![Michael63129](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3da27b/32.png) [@Michael63129](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael63129)\
**Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milk/610152/14 "2012-07-23T05:40:48Z")

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> [@panache45](#):
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> This word has to win some kind of prize.

Even Google can’t decide what it means, as indicated by a search:

Did you mean:

defishent  
deefish  
dee fishing  
deficient

(oddly enough, clicking on the first suggestion leads to another suggestion of deficient; why it doesn’t directly suggest deficient in the first place I don’t know)

Also, referring to the OP’s question of whether milk is beneficial, does drinking milk (or other food sources of Vitamin D) help Vitamin D deficiency? That is, I always read about how so many people are Vitamin D deficient (or have low levels in their blood), and this suggests that either people don’t get enough Vitamin D from food or it isn’t effectively absorbed (of course, the main source is from sunlight; I haven’t had myself tested, but I’m pretty sure I get more than enough from both food and sunlight).
