# Miller says Cheney did it.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 30, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144 "2005-09-30T02:52:58Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/1 "2005-09-30T02:52:58Z")
I expect the police are now at the vice president’s house arresting him, right?
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### Author:  [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/2 "2005-09-30T02:56:57Z")
> [@Biggirl](#):
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> I expect the police are now at the vice president’s **bunker** arresting him, right?
(slightly edited by me)
Did she really say Cheney did it? What little I’ve read said she aint talking.
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/3 "2005-09-30T02:57:16Z")
Oh yeah, [a link.](http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3376019)
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### Author:  [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/4 "2005-09-30T02:59:32Z")
Um. I’m not sure what article you are reading, but the one you linked to says: _Her source was Vice President Dick Cheney’s **chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby** , reported the Times, which supported her contention that her source should be protected_.
This really sucks for the foaming Rove-haters.
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### Author:  [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/5 "2005-09-30T03:00:22Z")
My take on the article is that she’s saying Scooter leaked it. Dick can just call him a bad apple, and let Libby fall on his sword like a good soldier.
Plausable deniablity, eh?
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/6 "2005-09-30T03:02:30Z")
Actually, it looks more like they’re tossing Scooter to the wolves. The only place in ANY of the articles I found about this where Cheney’s name is mentioned is as Libby’s boss. Scooter’s going to be toast, looks like.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/7 "2005-09-30T03:02:44Z")
> [@Stephe96](#):
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> This really sucks for the foaming Rove-haters.
What rock have you been living under? Libby’s involvement is not a surprise to anyone, and I don’t see how it’s good news for Rove.
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### Author:  [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/8 "2005-09-30T03:05:22Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#):
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> Plausable deniablity, eh?
Cheney’s got Alzheimer’s now?
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### Author:  [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/9 "2005-09-30T03:05:47Z")
So coming from the vice president’s office is not coming from the vice-president, huh? Oh well. And here I thought justice was being done. Silly me.
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### Author:  [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/10 "2005-09-30T03:06:05Z")
Actually, it’s a good thing Miller has been in jail the past few months. She missed being laid off by the _Times_.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/11 "2005-09-30T03:06:52Z")
> [@Biggirl](#):
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> So coming from the vice president’s office is not coming from the vice-president, huh? Oh well. And here I thought justice was being done. Silly me.
If that’s your opinion, cool, but it’s not exactly what Miller said.
From the NYT:
> [@](#):
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> That source was I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, according to people who have been officially briefed on the case. Ms. Miller met with Mr. Libby on July 8, 2003, and talked with him by telephone later that week, they said.
I forget how that plays into the timeline of other people finding out.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/12 "2005-09-30T03:07:38Z")
For a second there, I thought **Biggirl** was pitting me, and my life flashed before my eyes.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/13 "2005-09-30T03:13:14Z")
> [@Biggirl](#):
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> So coming from the vice president’s office is not coming from the vice-president, huh? Oh well. And here I thought justice was being done. Silly me.
Please…the train never goes all the way to the last station in this White House. It’s somewhat amazing how many naughty little boys Bush and Cheney have on staff, to get into all this stuff without their bosses’ knowledge.
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### Author:  [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/14 "2005-09-30T03:15:20Z")
> [@Squink](#):
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> Cheney’s got Alzheimer’s now?
He caught it from Reagan.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/15 "2005-09-30T03:23:26Z")
> [@Maureen](#):
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> He caught it from Reagan.
Condoms. Can’t emphasize that enough.
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### Author:  [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/16 "2005-09-30T03:38:30Z")
Okay, you win.
(Crap. After I posted that, I thought “is everyone going to get that I was referring to the whole Iran Contra convenient forgetfullness thingie?” for those who didnt: that’s what I meant. Yes, it’s a lame joke if you have to understand that, but people here tend to find offense, even when none is intended.)
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/17 "2005-09-30T03:39:39Z")
Scooter would not have had the clearance to know that Plame was covert. Someone had to have told him. And it really stretches credulity that that Libby would have done this without his overlords knowing about it.
The fact that Scooter himself has given permission to Miller to spill this leads me to believe that the Bushies have worked out their story and that they will find some way to skirt just shy of criminality and that they will spin anything short of criminal convictions as “vindication.” Never mind that W assured us all that those responsible would be fired (as well as that he knew that Rove had nothing to do with it).
With no election to worry about and no reason to care about public opinion, I suspect that Bush will simply ride this out with no consequences. **Stephe69** is proof that Bush’s core supporters will never be swayed by anything this White House does.
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### Author:  [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/18 "2005-09-30T03:42:50Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> For a second there, I thought **Biggirl** was pitting me, and my life flashed before my eyes.
What do you know? And when did you know it! :dubious:
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### Author:  [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/19 "2005-09-30T03:56:08Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> The fact that Scooter himself has given permission to Miller to spill this leads me to believe that the Bushies have worked out their story and that they will find some way to skirt just shy…
You THINK? All it took was a [phone call and a note](http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/30/politics/30COURT.html?hp&ex=1128052800&en=aa2b2494188dc7c5&ei=5094&partner=homepage) to get this moving:
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> “Judy has been unwavering in her commitment to protect the confidentiality of her source,” Mr. Sulzberger said. “We are very pleased that she has finally received a direct and uncoerced waiver, both by phone and in writing, releasing her from any claim of confidentiality and enabling her to testify.”
Now Judith’s been pretty busy visiting with bigwigs at the big house, so maybe she hadn’t _asked_ before now, but surely Scooter wouldn’t leave a lady rotting in a jail cell for months, when he could set her free with a few words, and the jot of a pen.
I wonder if Bolton hand delivered the final version of “what really happened” to Ms. Miller’s cell?
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miller-says-cheney-did-it/324144/20 "2005-09-30T04:15:48Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> For a second there, I thought **Biggirl** was pitting me, and my life flashed before my eyes.
So, how was jail?
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