# Milum is a babbling fountain of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 29, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293 "2003-10-29T19:44:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/41 "2003-10-30T13:37:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*I’ll save my celebration for the moment when cowards stop bashing people who can’t be here to defend themselves. \*\* He was Banned for being a Troll. Not much to _defend_. However, that’s the point-- banned members are gone. No need to bring them up anymore, as they are **irrelevant** , except as an example on how not to behave. As that issue was not directly in play, there did not seem to be a need to invoke that name. So **Libertarian** and I agree, but probably for somewhat different reasons. The usual lack of merit behind a **Daisy Cutter** or **Milum** post stand for themselves. No need to invoke the Banned. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/42 "2003-10-30T13:47:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*I’ll save my celebration for the moment when cowards stop bashing people who can’t be here to defend themselves. \*\* He was Banned for being a Troll. Not much to _defend_. However, that’s the point-- banned members are gone. No need to bring them up anymore, as they are **irrelevant** , except as an example on how not to behave. As that issue was not directly in play, there did not seem to be a need to invoke that name. So **Libertarian** and I agree, but probably for somewhat different reasons. The usual lack of merit behind a **Daisy Cutter** or **Milum** post stand for themselves. No need to invoke the Banned. ---
**Author:** ![\_possum\_stalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/b77776/32.png) [@\_possum\_stalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_possum_stalker)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/43 "2003-10-30T14:15:27Z")
“Babbling brook of shit” does have an alliterative appeal. Speaking of poetry, I am currently editing real jaw-dropping **Milum** phrases into haiku: ``` So take heart doom-criers free citizenry knows best, not knowing better ``` I have no problem making fun of Alabama, but I try to restrain myself. It’s like boxing with a man on crutches. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/44 "2003-10-30T14:15:52Z")
[HR in N&S Vietnam](http://www.vietquoc.com/huri-98.htm) (I’m including only some of what’s written about the North) > [@](#): > > For four decades, North Vietnamese under Ho Chi Minh regime have never heard of human rights. During the French Indochinese War that lasted nearly 9 years, Vietnamese people in the countryside were treated with the French terrorism policy. When the French withdrew and peace was restored, peasants in North Vietnam were extremely frightened by the Land Reform Campaign, the real objective of which were not to redistribute land to farmers but to get rid of the Class of Landlords. > > From 10,000 to 15,000 landlords an “reactionaries” were put to death by shooting, beating, hanging, stoning and even locking in without food and water. The campaign not only got rid of the unwanted landlords but also scared the poor peasants into faithfulness to the Party. > > Furthermore, peasants in North Vietnam would appreciate anything a little better than hardships under the colonial time. > > They were taught that in every country in the world, prisoners of war are killed, except the Communist states who save the POW’s lives so that they would be kept as forced labor to work for the wealth of the socialist society. They were told that prisoners have no rights of citizens; so if a prisoner was murdered, his or her family may not complain or blame anyone for the death. > > People can be arrested at any time, and investigations by Public Security agents have absolute legal values. Prison guardians are allowed to beat criminal inmates at their will. Death sentences are given even to petty crimes such as copying love music from South Vietnam radio stations. > > It is almost impossible to know how many innocent people have been executed by order of the Communist leaders, not including dead soldiers on the two sides of the wars since 1945. Victims could be counted only when people found mass graves such as in areas around Hue in 1968 - some three thousand bodies buried alive or after being shot or beaten to death. > > Citizens are were taught since their first days at school to do everything profitable to the Party. In general, the communist regime try to make its citizens become working machines to ensure their obedience. Human rights, therefore, has no place in such education system. > > Only in the recent years after 1975 when North Vietnamese have had contact with their compatriots in South Vietnam and thanks to an uncontrollable flow of small portable radios into North Vietnam, people from the North could be aware of what they had been denied by their Communist government for many decades. > > During the past few years, the American government, along with France strongly criticized Hanoi regime of its human rights violations, but only to say later that there were progress in its human rights records, in order to justify investment of their capitalists in Vietnam as well as awarding the most favored nation status to Beijing. P.S. Since the US had no plan to invade NV and was fighting a “counterinsurgency” war, we _were_ just as close to victory as when we got there. I’d suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/45 "2003-10-30T14:32:30Z")
**Milum** haiku! Brilliant idea! **European countries have now evolved into state pens of human husbandry** Or perhaps longer poems: **You Eurotypes are becoming overrefined and effete Kinda like ageing aimless bachelors who still live with their ageing permissive parents who still provide all the accruements of life with a minimum of demands. Such are the rewards of socialism.** _Wipes tear from eye_ That’s beautiful, man. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/46 "2003-10-30T14:50:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*I’d suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French. \*\* You mean the British? Or any other assortment of world powers that have had their hands in there. ---
**Author:** ![London\_Calling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@London\_Calling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/London_Calling)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/47 "2003-10-30T15:03:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > I’d suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French. This is briliant! They were actually French WMD Saddam wasn’t hiding. Thank God for the noble USA. Cue misty-eyed music, soft-focused fluttering flag, “world-policeman” voiceover . . . God save us from this utter bollocks. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/48 "2003-10-30T15:20:12Z")
Utter bollocks is right. And they say we Europeans are superior gits. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/49 "2003-10-30T15:29:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blowero \* > \*\*I like sailor, and I think anyone who uses colors and/or more than one font size in one word should automatically lose any argument. > 😉 \*\* I Agree [sub]wholehearedly[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/50 "2003-10-30T15:51:13Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Daisy Cutter \* > \*\*Ah, I see sailor is off on one of his d e l u s i o n a l_RANTS\* again. > > One more to defend sailor… > > And I would like to add Beagle to Daisy Cutter and Milum. > > \*\* > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*I’d suggest trying to win the next war. Iraq is just like Vietnam: cleaning up a mess left by the French. \*\* The french? Wasn’t it the US who supported Saddam Hussein and kept him in power for 20 years? Wasn’t it the US which supported Bin Laden and sent him weapons which he uses now against them? ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/51 "2003-10-30T15:52:43Z")
Messed up the coding sorry ☹ _must hit preview_ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/52 "2003-10-30T15:53:36Z")
Yes, it’s France’s fault for wanting to wait 2 weeks for Blix to finish inspecting before voting to invade, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/53 "2003-10-30T15:55:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flonks \* > **Wasn’t it the US who supported Saddam Hussein and kept him in power for 20 years?** I’d like to point out that whle the US supported Hussein, they didn’t really keep him in power. He did most of that himself by skillfully playing internal factions off each other, knowing who to bring in to the fold and who to keep down, and was an absolute master at distributing patronage to the right people at the right time. Even without US support, it’s highly unlikely Hussein would have been deposed any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/54 "2003-10-30T15:59:47Z")
Point taken **Neurotik** , but it’s unclear whether he would have won the Iran/Irak war without US help. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/55 "2003-10-30T16:07:25Z")
Right. France and Russia did not provide the bulk of the arms to the region. France did not give Saddam a means to build nuclear weapons. By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/56 "2003-10-30T16:13:36Z")
Well, even with US help he didn’t really win it. He sort of lost it in that he invaded, was repulsed and achieved none of his objectives. He might have lost a bit of territory (al-Faw) at the most, but there was no way the Iranians were going to be able to march to Baghdad like they thought they would on their counter-offensive. Most likely, the ending would have been the same - stalemate and status quo ante bellum (more or less). ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/57 "2003-10-30T16:50:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > > By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact. Worse than that, he lumped you in with **Milum** and **Daisy Cutter**. \ ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/58 "2003-10-30T17:34:35Z")
Yes, **Milum** is a piece of work. In a recent thread about the [Alabama Tax Plan](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=210329), I brought up a number of debatable points, and the thread, despite it being in the Pit, was progressing civilly between (primarily) myself, **Sauron** , **mhendo** , **JCoM** , and some others. **Milum** then burst in with a largely nonsensical post which I chopped to pieces. Upon his return, he responded with this raging piece of insanity: > [@](#): > > You Ogre! You…damn you…you and your sorry kind have kept the black folks indentured in the southeastern counties of Alabama since the great depression of 1932. Your dole, your pittance, enought to appease your sense of superiority yet barely enought to feed a hungry family of four, but only enought , barely, to keep them locked in to an unproductive land that they dearly love. > > You are lower than snakes. You judge a man soley by his economic station in life. Not by his honor. Not by his honesty. Not by his goodlyness. You are an abomination. You judge a man only by his net worth. > > May God have mercy on your dark black soul. I’ll let you either read the thread or take a wild guess at what the above rant had to do with the OP or the discussion at hand, and why he chose to implicitly call me a racist. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/59 "2003-10-30T17:35:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\*Right. France and Russia did not provide the bulk of the arms to the region. France did not give Saddam a means to build nuclear weapons. > > By all means, keep losing your cool every time I state a fact. \*\* According to [this 1993 article](http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/whoarmediraq.pdf), the main players were as follows: Germany 50% Switzerland 8% France 5% Italy 5% US 3.5% UK 3.5% Also bear in mind that France also supplied the equipment for [Israel](http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/) to make its nukes - so really it’s an equal opportunity illegal WMD facilitator So, er, not really a “fact”, unless you have evidence that’s better than this? ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293/60 "2003-10-30T18:25:41Z")
[Arms](http://www.1upinfo.com/country-guide-study/iraq/iraq95.html) Iranians were killed with a lot of French weapons. The germ samples that the US provided have not been used for anything. “NO WMDs FOUND!!!” Remember? [Nukes from Chirac](http://www.usainreview.com/2_11_Chirac_Connection.htm) Note: the US has messed up our foreign policy in the ME on so many occasions I cannot count. Now, deal with what the French have done. It’s worse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/milum-is-a-babbling-fountain-of-shit/210293.md?page=4)