# Mimi Rogers & "The Rapture" (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 15, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mimi-rogers-the-rapture-spoilers/58060 "2001-03-15T05:00:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2001, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mimi-rogers-the-rapture-spoilers/58060/1 "2001-03-15T05:00:32Z")
The movie “The Rapture” came up in another thread, and we convinced FriendofGod to see it. Here’s his review: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by FriendofGod_ > The Ruptured Rapture (My Review of ‘The Rapture’) > I just finished watching ‘The Rapture’, a movie made in 1991 that many of you have referred to in this and my previous ‘movie’ thread. I’d like to throw out a few comments on it (SPOILER warning: I will probably reveal key plot elements in the following, so if you want to see this movie, read no further). > If I had to summarize the movie, I would say one of the following two things, depending on how certain scenes are interpreted: > > Possibility # 1 : ‘The Rapture’ is the story of a woman who gets involved in a quasi-Christian cult and converts to this cult’s religion, believing she has actually found God when in fact she hasn’t. Because she never truly learns God’s character, she begin to believe in the cult’s warped view of God and rejects this false God, believing it is the true God she is rejecting. > > Possiblity # 2 : ‘The Rapture’ is the story of a woman who gets involved in a quasi-Christian cult, yet somehow comes to a relationship with God despite their warped beliefs about God. However, because she never truly learns God’s character, she begin to believe in the cult’s warped view of God and rejects this false God, believing it is the true God she is rejecting. > > In other words, whether you believe she actually comes to God or not (and I lean heavily toward believing she did not), the God she keeps hearing about is a false God, a warping of God’s character. To be honest, there were several scenes where I laughed out loud at things that weren’t intended to be funny (‘Just say you love God mommmeeee! Then you can go to heaven!’) I kept thinking, ‘This is why nonbelievers don’t need to make Christian-themed films. They genuinely just don’t get it.’ > > One line in the movie stands out to me more than any other. When the woman finally realizes she doesn’t love God (after she’s gotten arrested), the first words out of her mouth after saying she doesn’t love God is: > > “He has too many rules”. > > And therein lies the heart of the deception she has swallowed. She believes God is a God of rules. She believes God just requires that you ‘say you love Him’, with no real _reason_ behind it. Never once in the movie does she learn God’s _character_ and realize that He’s actually and legitimately _worthy_ of our love. No, she sees a harsh taskmaster who just says, ‘Love me, period!’ > > And of course she sets herself up for the deception by her jaunt into the desert to ‘wait’ for the rapture. She has no grounding in what the Bible teaches and listens to some kid who thinks he’s a prophet. She believes God is speaking to her, yet if she knew the Bible and was surrounded by healthy believers, she would realize quickly she was not hearing correctly. Her expectations of God are totally backwards, and so this warped image of God lets her down. > > This movie is, in many ways, a case study in deception. This is how people get sucked into cults. They reach the point of desperation in their lives, realize they need God, but then they turn to a warped false God rather than the one true God. And then they end up worse than they were before! Now they think they know what God is like, and they reject Him, never knowing what He’s _really_ like in reality. > > This movie also exposed the most dangerous cult in America. It’s what I call “almost-Christianity”. The thing that’s closest to the truth is the best lie. This group has a handful of partly true doctrines, but they have totally missed the heart of what knowing God _truly_ is all about. They have no understanding of God’s true character. > > The sight of Mimi Rogers standing on that rock, realizing that she would be separated from God forever, nearly brought me to tears. It is, I believe, an accurate depiction of those who choose to turn their backs on God. I believe hell will be filled with people who _still_ are justifying themselves, accusing God, and saying they got a raw deal. What is really sad in this case is, this character didn’t even really know the God she was rejecting. > > The biggest failure of the movie, to me, was in not showing the truth. I didn’t really expect any truth in this movie so I can’t say I was surprised, but one can hope. I wish they had shown the true charater of God. I wish they had shown genuine believers in Christ. Instead, they focused on a deceived woman and the tragedy of her foolish and misguided choice. > > To sum it up: the movie is a case study of how incredibly deceived a person can become if they don’t know the true character of God. It shows the importance of basing your life on the Bible, not on what you ‘feel’ God is telling you, and to surround yourself with healthy, Bible believing Christians who can help keep you on the right path. I promised FoG that I would give my own take on the movie, so I’m starting this thread. Unfortunately, I don’t have time to give a full reply, but I’ll write one shortly. In the meantime, I’ll let other folks reply. -Ben ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2001, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mimi-rogers-the-rapture-spoilers/58060/2 "2001-03-15T15:54:45Z")
:shrug: I can only say what I’ve told **Friend of God** before. No one can know what is in someone else’s heart. That’s God’s job, not Man’s. If it makes people feel better about themselves to claim that someone else is not a Christian, more power to them. But pride is still a sin–and so is claiming to speak for the Lord. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mimi-rogers-the-rapture-spoilers/58060/3 "2001-03-16T04:57:43Z")
If you ask me, Michael Tollkin, the writer/director of “The Rapture” was trying to make the point that many Christians (such as FoG) have beliefs which are inconsistent. They believe that there is a deadline (namely, death or the Rapture) for meeting certain requirements, and if you don’t meet them, you go to hell. The problem lies in the fact that FCs don’t really look at this belief seriously, and so they never see the horrible consequences which naturally follow from such rules. Tollkin decided to make a movie which assumes that those rules are, in fact, true, and follows the consequences of those rules as they play themselves out. There are a number of ways Tollkin could have done this, and there are good reasons for the final script he settled on. If he had made the “one true religion” of the movie be, say, Methodism or Catholicism, Christians from other denominations could shrug it off as being a good critique of the beliefs of people who aren’t “real” Christians. Or, they could quibble over irrelevant theological points: if the movie showed a good non-Christian going to hell, some viewers would say to themselves, “Well, I believe that anybody who loves God gets to go to heaven.” Moreover, Christianity can be somewhat ambiguous in real life. For example, if Tollkin had portrayed Mimi Rogers’ character as being an ordinary born-again Christian, there would be no external sign that she was on the right track, and people could argue that she went to hell because she hadn’t really found God after all. (Which is, in fact, what FoG decided.) What Tollkin did, then, was to create a religion which was clearly fictional, so that it would not come attached to irrelevant real-life doctrines that viewers might quibble over. Unlike real-life Christianity, he depicted a world in which the truth of the one true religion is completely unambiguous. After Mimi Rogers converts, she (like all members of the religion) has dreams of a pearl, which are her sign that she has truly found God. The prophet of the religion prophesies that the Rapture will come soon- and it does, proving that he is a true prophet. Lastly, Tollkin portrays the one true religion as being far more lenient than most forms of Christianity that hold to a belief in hell. You don’t have to be a believer in the religion to go to heaven, you don’t seem to need to be good, and arguably you don’t even need to really love God- it might be that Tollkin intended that anyone who merely says “I love God” will get into heaven. And hell isn’t a place of torment, but is merely the place of separation from God that many of the more “liberal” FCs believe in. Having created such a world, run by such a God, Tollkin explores how such rules would realistically play themselves out. Mimi Rogers’ character joins the religion and genuinely finds God and genuinely loves him. She gives all she has to God, but is rewarded for her belief with tragedy. In the end, she goes to hell because she does not love God, for reasons that are entirely natural and understandable. Even if she could get into heaven by merely _claiming_ to love God, she cannot bring herself to lie, because doing so would be such a complete betrayal of her integrity. Meanwhile, a traffic cop stands at the threshold of heaven, and is asked if he loves God. He smiles and says, “Yeah, sure!” and is taken up into heaven- but he is able to say such a thing because he was never really tested. Say what you like about whatever mistakes you think Rogers’s character made, but the fact remains that the worst she ever did was to follow God through thick and thin. Maybe she misunderstood, maybe she should have held on longer- but unless she had a genuinely superhuman enlightenment and emotional stamina, it’s hard to see how she could be expected to go to heaven after all she went through. Incidentally, FoG, did you never think that maybe the Christian-like cult in the movie was, within the context of the movie, true? It seems so completely obvious to me that it’s hard for me to understand how you didn’t see it. It’s as if you were to claim that Star Wars is about Luke Skywalker, a soldier in a foxhole in WWII, hallucinating that he’s really a space cowboy- and then complain that George Lucas got his history all wrong, because Hitler didn’t wear a metal mask like Vader did. You assume that the cult in the movie was intended as a false religion, and also assume that the God revealed at the end is the one you worship- and then you complain that they got their facts wrong when that God acts like the God of the cult instead of the God of your own religion. -Ben ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2001, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mimi-rogers-the-rapture-spoilers/58060/4 "2001-03-16T07:21:33Z")
I didn’t see it as a movie about Christianity, but as a movie about Los Angeles. L.A.'s tradition of eschatology is rivaled only by Jerusalem’s. The encroaching desert, the earthquakes, the streets that crack open and spit flames, the ever-thin veneer of civilization either punctured or fully rent asunder daily - this goes back even farther than Nathanel West’s “Day of the Locusts,” much less Charles Manson. Mimi Rogers is snared by the empty life of SoCal - the stupifying service-sector job, the sex for its own sake, and has no escape except an equally stupifying fad religion that has its antecedent in L.A. as far back as Amie Semple MacPhereson. The average Angelino knows that all sitcoms and processed foods are test-marketed first in his city. So he also thinks that if the end of the world were to come, no better place than there as well. Williams Jennings Bryan warned that the cites will ever be but three days from destruction, and William Mulholland made this a promise to L.A. Tell me I’m wrong, but write me as compelling a screenplay set in Coral Glabels.