# Mindless Perspectives Some Intuitively Mutilate Simultaneously **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 24, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623 "2013-04-24T21:41:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![shadowofneo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@shadowofneo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shadowofneo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/81 "2013-04-29T06:13:46Z")
> [@6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](#): > > How long is a piece of string theory? Depends on how big the cat was that originally hit the ball of string, maybe that’s what the big bang was > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Okay, so I had kind of a trippy thought today. > > We’re patterns of chemicals and energy, right? We happen to be self-aware, and the patterns of chemicals and energy (POCAE hereafter) comprising us relate to the rest of the cosmos–to the chemicals and energy everywhere else–via some imperfect pattern-sensing patterns, i.e., our senses. > > Magic tricks, of course, play with that imperfection. When a magician does a trick, the POCAE doing the trick is imagining the imperfections within the pattern-sensing patterns of other POCAEs and manipulating patterns of chemicals and energy in order to exploit those imperfections. Other POCAEs perceive imperfectly what’s happening, realize it doesn’t match their preconceived notions of how the cosmos works, and are (if they enjoy magic) delighted by the cognitive dissonance it creates in their minds. > > Anyway, I was thinking about this because I was teaching a magic class today. In other words: > I, as a pattern of chemicals and energy, manipulated myself and other chemicals and energy in order to alter the POCAE of my students, such that my students would be able to manipulate themselves and other chemicals and energy in order to alter the POCAE of an audience, all for the purpose of exploiting the imperfect perceptive capabilities of their audience in order to cause cognitive dissonance, and therefore delight. > > We’re pretty weird. #1 - Is POCAE a weird way of getting away with saying a$$h\*l3 in Cantonese #2 - You experienced what i would describe as a moment of Absolute Clarity > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know, that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom. --Terry Pratchett Imagine what the amoebae are thinking about _us_. * * * All I want to convey is that some of our cultural “rust” is starting to show, badly. Religion, Science, Education are all controlled forms of universal understanding, under our current preconceptions only regurgitated unoriginal thoughts will arise from these constraints. The Double slit experiment for example has shown us that it is possible that we may have limited control over subatomic reactions, therefore, given the proper focus and direction our perception may open up a gate of new understanding. Been there done that, got the T-shirt is a perfect example as to what is wrong with the overall culture (or meme space - where thought/action/events occur). If you introduce multiple dimensions of thought within a given M-Brane or planar existence, the resultant finite events occur, within given variables. Once you Kick the Door, Someone on the other side say wtf was that. If all it takes is a loud enough expression of thought, a thought-gate could open up endless new variables within the given D-Brane space (the dimensional space our bodies occupy). Maybe that is what the spirit/soul/outer-energy mythology is all about recently several times in our recent history 10,000 years some individuals have expressed a form of this higher energy that allowed them to interpret multiple alternate universes at once. Always being able to choose the absolute best version of their reality. This is called your Merkabah. Good luck trying to understand what I’m talking about it seems most of you are willing to talk part though some of you are not enjoying the conjecture, i like both sides 🙂 PS. Consensual Reality is what the general mob discipline of morality is currently believing most strongly \<\<\<\<\<\<\< **Word Chicken Caesar Salad** ---
**Author:** ![shadowofneo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@shadowofneo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shadowofneo)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/82 "2013-04-29T06:15:33Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > Everything that everything is made of is just chemistry and the electronics that make it up, and a bit of physics, which still comes down to particle science. > > It’s kind of strange that we can now prove and relate things that our minds can’t really comprehend at all. Comparing a grain of salt and a basketball is one thing, comparing an electron and the known universe is incomprehensible. > > How many quintillion or more cells/molecules/atoms combine just to hit a baseball? Then factor in thoughts, psychoses, varied interpretations of reality, and thoughts that a higher power must have made our reality true. > > Science is awesome, but we will never know it all, because we can’t ever know it all. The mantis shrimp can see over five times the colors we can see. Dogs can smell up to six times better than a human. > > We’d better get used to having our minds blown, because the future is gonna be full of it. This guy gets it ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/83 "2013-04-29T06:31:38Z")
> [@shadowofneo](#): > > This guy gets it I truly don’t, nor will any of us. I do appreciate the compliment though. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/84 "2013-04-29T06:32:39Z")
**dnooman** speaks jive! ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/85 "2013-04-29T06:36:25Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > **dnooman** speaks jive! Randy : Can I get you something? Second Jive Dude : ‘S’mofo butter layin’ me to da’ BONE! Jackin’ me up… tight me! Randy : I’m sorry, I don’t understand. First Jive Dude : Cutty say ‘e can’t HANG! Jive Lady : Oh stewardess! I speak jive. Randy : Oh, good. Jive Lady : He said that he’s in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him. Randy : All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I’ll be back as soon as I can with some medicine? Jive Lady : Jus’ hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da’ rebound on da’ med side. Second Jive Dude : What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap! Jive Lady : Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don’ want no help, chump don’t GET da’ help! First Jive Dude : Say 'e can’t hang, say seven up! Jive Lady : Jive dude don’t got no brains anyhow! Hmmph! ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/86 "2013-04-29T06:41:07Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > **dnooman** speaks jive! Sa-da-tay, my damies! I gonna sign yo pity on the runny kine. Kappa-chow ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/87 "2013-04-29T06:50:31Z")
Well so there is stuff I don’t understand and it might be like really weird? Cool, let me know when you have figured it out, I need to go and play with my unicorn. ---
**Author:** ![6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/e19adc/32.png) [@6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/6ImpossibleThingsB4Breakfast)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/88 "2013-04-29T07:17:00Z")
> [@dnooman](#): > > Dogs can smell up to six times better than a human. My dog sniffed when she read this and says it’s somewhere between 1,000 and 10,000,000 times better and could I never ever ever change my socks. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/89 "2013-04-29T07:26:16Z")
… and due to that last post I can go to… Mornington Crescent! TAKE THAT! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/90 "2013-04-29T11:11:25Z")
> [@shadowofneo](#): > > This guy gets it That awkward moment when the raving loon points you out as an example of a kindred spirit, and you have to stop and reevaluate your entire life. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/91 "2013-04-29T11:12:48Z")
Oh, and also, this: > [@shadowofneo](#): > > The Double slit experiment for example has shown us that it is possible that we may have limited control over subatomic reactions, therefore, given the proper focus and direction our perception may open up a gate of new understanding. is just completely, completely, totally, 100% WRONG. It’s a complete misinterpretation of what the experiment actually showed us. Wrong wrong wrong. Not that I expect that to matter. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/92 "2013-04-29T11:44:15Z")
I thought the “Double Slit Experiment” was physicists’ attempt to get research funding to have a three-way. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/93 "2013-04-29T13:23:13Z")
Goat left town with my Ipad. Fucker! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/94 "2013-04-29T14:39:15Z")
Ah, I see that you’ve just opted to ignore absolutely all of the refutations I provided to you, and then make up more nonsense gibberish that you pretend is based in Physics. ~golf clap~ > [@shadowofneo](#): > > The Double slit experiment for example has shown us that it is possible that we may have limited control over subatomic reactions This is utterly, and completely, invented. There are no “reactions” going on in Young’s Experiment that we control, at all. In point of fact, depending on how we set up Young’s Experiment, the only thing we really change is where we collapse the wave function in the device, and whether or not that leaves us with enough Uncertainty that we can still get an interference pattern and whether or not we want to have our quanta appear as particles, waves, or both simultaneously. I’m sure you won’t acknowledge your error let alone fix it, but hey, the rest of us can realize you’re laughably wrong, eh? > [@shadowofneo](#): > > If you introduce multiple dimensions of thought within a given M-Brane or planar existence, the resultant finite events occur, within given variables. This is gobbledygook, again. First off, it’s p-brane, or membrane, or just 'brane for short. Not “M-Brane”. Second, no, there are no “dimensions of thought”, that’s yet more sophomoric rambling. Naturally, you really are simply babbling, with the rest. You specified no “finite events” (all events are finite, that’s what an “event” means.), nor which “given variables” would be modified. Simply adding 7 more spatial dimensions does not in and of itself change anything. No, not even if you next hint obliquely at Flatland. [quote=“shadowofneo, post:81, topic:656623”] a thought-gate could open up endless new variables within the given D-Brane space (the dimensional space our bodies occupy). [quote=“shadowofneo, post:81, topic:656623”] Do I really need to say it? [In case you’re curious, see how many times you can find the phrase “thought-gate” in this actual physics paper.](http://uw.physics.wisc.edu/~strings/workshop08/slides/gomis.pdf) > [@shadowofneo](#): > > Good luck trying to understand what I’m talking about There’s nothing to ‘understand’, any more than there’s a need for folks to sit and ponder the nuances in a street preacher’s eschatological ravings. You either can not or will not correct your argument for its grossest factual and logical errors. How on Earth can you ever pretend to have an argument, rather than something approximating stoners sitting around a college dorm room, if you can’t even adhere to basic factual accuracy? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/95 "2013-04-29T14:49:00Z")
Has **shadowofneo** gone back to the 8th dimension? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/96 "2013-04-29T15:57:20Z")
If need be, I’ll lend him my oscillating overthruster. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/97 "2013-04-29T16:24:05Z")
Is that the same thing as an undulating overthruster? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/98 "2013-04-29T16:36:36Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > First off, it’s p-brane I thought you couldn’t insult other members in this forum? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/99 "2013-04-29T16:38:52Z")
So glad you asked! As you know, matter is composed mostly of empty space, right down to the quantum level: within an atom, most of that atom’s total volume consists of relatively vast spaces between the subatomic particles, although the particles do remain tethered to each other by electromagnetic force. Early quantum theory suggests that EM force may consist of “virtual photons” that have no mass and naturally fill such otherwise empty spaces. The oscillating overthruster powers two colliding beams (one stream of electrons, one of positrons) which annihilate each other, creating create intermediate vector bosons as a by-product. The vector bosons are then magnetically collected and focused into another beam, now capable of imparting mass to those pesky virtual photons, thereby weakening the EM force that binds matter. Everything reverts to normal pretty quickly, but a fast-moving object can pass through the affected matter before the window closes. However, with an undulating overthruster, all that happens is you crash into the wall and get turned into just so much tomato paste. I’ve lost so many lab assistants that way. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623/100 "2013-04-30T00:51:28Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > That awkward moment when the raving loon points you out as an example of a kindred spirit, and you have to stop and reevaluate your entire life. Ok, that was funny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mindless-perspectives-some-intuitively-mutilate-simultaneously/656623.md?page=4)