# Mini ABC/NBA/Spurs/Lakers rant - lame **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 16, 2003, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590 "2003-05-16T02:22:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/21 "2003-05-16T18:48:55Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m normally a very polite driver, take my turn when it comes and some such, but when we got out of the Paul McCartney concert (note: nobody left early), it was a different story. We sat without moving for a good 10 minutes before I said ta hell with it, cut over to another aisle, and simulataniously cut off two limos, and Excursion That was YOU!?!?! 😉 Dude, I was there too, and I ended up being forced to cut off a lot of people too. You just can’t be polite in a situation like that. > [@](#): > > One rumor I heard tonight has the Lakers coaxing MJ, Pippen, and the Mailman to LA… Please, please, please tell me your joking. If Malone starts playing for the Lakers the same year that Stockton retires (I can barely even type that word) I think my whole world will crumble. ---
**Author:** ![GoHeels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@GoHeels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoHeels)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/22 "2003-05-17T00:53:08Z")
**Duke:** > [@](#): > > Even out here on the Right Coast, I could hear a faint whimpering from my old haunts in L.A. County. When I lived out there, it was evident to me that Laker fans were an easy bunch to satisfy–as long as they won every game, scored every point, had all the calls go their way, and had every TV announcer laud Shaq and Kobe as the second coming of Christ and John the Baptist, they would be happy. But, as things were, they sulked at every loss, and even sulked when they won but not by a sufficient margin. (I still remember the column in the LA Times in which the loathsome T.J. Simers whinged, “Why can’t we go 82-0?” **Duke** , I find myself in full agreement with your sentiment. Laker fans are, of course, utterly unworthy of that team. And T.J. Simers should be thrown unceremoniously into the Pacific Ocean for the drivel he spews. Nevertheless, the truth you speak does not outweigh your loathesome handle. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Myrr21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Myrr21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrr21)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/23 "2003-05-17T01:28:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Now, to all the Laker haters on this thread-- call again when your team has won three in a row (Celtic and Bulls fans excluded, of course). “Call again when your team has failed to win even half the consecutive titles of the [sub](please god let them acquire some supporting cast for next year)[/sub] Celtics?” What the hell kinda half-assed put-down is that? ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/24 "2003-05-17T02:35:39Z")
**GoHeels** : You will be happy to hear that my username has nothing to do with the Cameron Crazy Crowd. Actually, it’s my real last name. Hey, just as an aside…think Roy Williams is going to turn it around? ---
**Author:** ![green\_bladder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/73ab20/32.png) [@green\_bladder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/green_bladder)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/25 "2003-05-17T03:06:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mole \* > \*\*One rumor I heard tonight has the Lakers coaxing MJ, Pippen, and the Mailman to LA… > Yeah, right. Just what they need. \*\* I don’t think Malone’s going to LA. He’d rather go after the career scoring title than win a championship as a 5th wheel or whatever. As for Pippen… I don’t support the Lakers, but I’d think they’d be very, very desperate to go after him. They need to go younger. LA-SA: Quite a game 6 though… I hate to see grown men cry 😃 (GO SPURS) ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/26 "2003-05-17T07:27:46Z")
I’m torn on the Lakers non-advance: On the one hand, I’m somewhat upset that My Home Town ain’t gonna get a fourth NBA Championship win. ☹ On the other hand, freeway traffic around Staples Center/downtown L.A. ought to be a bit lighter now. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/27 "2003-05-17T11:08:27Z")
Crap, I should have paid closer attention to the person who threw out all three of MJ-Pippen-Malone to LA. It was on one of those post-game studio things, either TNT or ESPN. The distinguished-looking black man with a balding head and grayish beard? Ring a bell anyone? I’ll try to research it, get his name and the cite. I was just surprised someone would say that as it’s something of a pipe dream. I mentioned the whole thing to a friend who recommends LA seek out Pele, Gretzky, and Joe Montana as well… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GoHeels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@GoHeels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoHeels)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/28 "2003-05-17T14:26:48Z")
> [@](#): > > GoHeels: You will be happy to hear that my username has nothing to do with the Cameron Crazy Crowd. Actually, it’s my real last name. Whoa, sorry about my insult to your surname, Duke. Glad to hear that you aren’t really one of Satan’s spawns (aka a Cameron Crazy). 😛 > [@](#): > > Hey, just as an aside…think Roy Williams is going to turn it around? In my opinion, yes and no. Yes, in that Roy will bring much needed stability to the program and, with his record, will bring instant credibility. Also he’ll inherit some serious talent in Felton, May, and McCants. (As an aside to this aside, this is the real reason he accepted the job in 2003 and turned us down in 2000 - in 2000, he looked at the roster and saw shit, to put it nicely, while in 2003 he saw real potential). I also say no, because Roy will not make the Tar Heel program what it was under Dean Smith, which is what us spoiled rotten Tar Heel fans expect and demand. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/29 "2003-05-17T14:46:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GoHeels \* > \*\*I also say no, because Roy will not make the Tar Heel program what it was under Dean Smith, which is what us spoiled rotten Tar Heel fans expect and demand. \*\* Nonsense, Williams will do what he did in Kansas. Get you to the Final Four every other year but never win the Tourney. ---
**Author:** ![GoHeels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b3f665/32.png) [@GoHeels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoHeels)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/30 "2003-05-17T16:00:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Nonsense, Williams will do what he did in Kansas. Get you to the Final Four every other year but never win the Tourney. If you’re implying that Roy is just Dean Smith Jr., and that he will consistently make us bridesmaids but never brides…well…quite frankly, after what the Heels have been through the last few seasons, I’ll take it. It’s better than 8-20 and internal tumult. Roy’s history of tourney choking does concern me, although to blame him for losing to Syracuse, when KU was 12-30 from the FT line, doesn’t seem fair. Sooner or later, **Neurotik** , doesn’t the law of averages kick in? It took Dean six trips to the Final Four ('67, '68, '69, '72, '77, '81) before he won the big one in 1982. Even the despicable Coach K lost four times in the Final Four ('86, '88, '89, '90) before he finally won it all in 1991. Roy’s been to the Final Four four times ('91, '93, '02, '03), so maybe he’s due. ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/31 "2003-05-17T16:51:48Z")
How odd, this thread has turned into discussing not just one but _two_ of the teams I hate the most. Who acts more like spoiled brats . . . Laker fans or Carolina fans? Its neck and neck believe me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/32 "2003-05-17T19:34:36Z")
> [@](#): > > The distinguished-looking black man with a balding head and grayish beard? [Fred Carter?](http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2003/story?id=1553676&contentType=Columnist) He always points his finger at the camera. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/33 "2003-05-18T04:32:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GoHeels \* > **If you’re implying that Roy is just Dean Smith Jr., and that he will consistently make us bridesmaids but never brides…well…quite frankly, after what the Heels have been through the last few seasons, I’ll take it. It’s better than 8-20 and internal tumult.** Good point. As a UCLA fan I can almost understand. The Lavin years sucked, with consistently underperforming teams. Although, I was never alive during Wooden’s reign, so I’m not quite as spoiled and utterly demanding as the more veteran Bruin fans. They can get ugly. \*\* > [@](#): > > Roy’s history of tourney choking does concern me, although to blame him for losing to Syracuse, when KU was 12-30 from the FT line, doesn’t seem fair. \*\* You know what’s weird? Free throws are one of the most important aspects of the game. Missed FT’s ALWAYS come back to bite a team in the butt, but it’s almost like teams never practice them. When I was playing youth league, we worked on free throws constantly. It seems like coach’s at the college and pro level don’t do that, and I think they should. So I blame coaches (especially college coaches) if their kids can’t hit the FT’s down the stretch. \*\* > [@](#): > > Sooner or later, **Neurotik** , doesn’t the law of averages kick in? It took Dean six trips to the Final Four ('67, '68, '69, '72, '77, '81) before he won the big one in 1982. Even the despicable Coach K lost four times in the Final Four ('86, '88, '89, '90) before he finally won it all in 1991. Roy’s been to the Final Four four times ('91, '93, '02, '03), so maybe he’s due. \*\* Sure, eventually, maybe. But look how long it took Boeheim. It just depends on whether Heel fans will give him the time it takes to do it. But there are pro coaches like Nelson and Adelman who seem to have a tendency to put together soft teams that come apart down the stretch and never win anything. So maybe it’s the coach’s fault. I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Audrey\_Levins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/73ab20/32.png) [@Audrey\_Levins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Audrey_Levins)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/34 "2003-05-18T15:31:44Z")
It’s all about TEXAS, BABY! Mavs and Spurs, head to head. **GO SPURS GO!** A Lakers fan from California wrote our local paper yesterday, and said that even though she has always been a Lakers fan, she was so charmed by what gracious, gentlemanly winners the Spurs were in the elimination game in LA that she “wishes them all the success of champions. They deserve it.” I wish all sports fans were so gracious. [sub]We had some Lakers fans in my bar for that game b/c it’s a tourist bar, and while I’ve got no real beef with Lakers fans–although I’m not too keen on the Lakers themselves–man, did they get all pissed off![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/35 "2003-05-18T16:00:05Z")
Hey, I hope the Spurs go all the way. Giving Robinson a last ring before he retires is nice, and Duncan is just awesome. Plus, you always want the team that beat yours to win all the way so you can at least say you were beaten by the best. In the meantime, we can talk about the Stars vs. Ducks, or the state of the Rangers or Cowboys. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/36 "2003-05-18T16:37:39Z")
I’m pulling for the Mavs, Mark Cuban is the coolest human being on the planet…or at least the coolest human being who owns a basketball team. ---
**Author:** ![whiteboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@whiteboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiteboy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/37 "2003-05-18T17:45:35Z")
the Wizards have a 1.1% chance of getting King James, and hey, MJ isn’t around to ruin him. Things are looking better in Washington already! The Wizards are the new Clippers ☹ ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2003, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590/38 "2003-05-18T18:53:14Z")
As much as J O’ Neal is not yet a franchise player who can carry his team, I’d hate it if he leaves for the Spurs. C’mon, the Spurs are already damn good. Just get Brand or Kandi or something. But, I have the feeling he will. Why? Because he can avoid the scrutiny of being a franchise player, be a Scottie or a Horry to Duncan and collect rings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-abc-nba-spurs-lakers-rant-lame/175590.md?page=1)