# Mini Tuesday April 26 Primaries discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095 "2016-04-25T15:29:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/21 "2016-04-26T02:23:34Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I’ll be quite interested in the Sanders concession speech. Won’t happen. Even if mathematically eliminated there are enough diehard supporters to fund him all the way to the convention. There’s also the “Clinton will be indicted” true believers and those that just want to push the overton window. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/22 "2016-04-26T10:30:11Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Won’t happen. Even if mathematically eliminated there are enough diehard supporters to fund him all the way to the convention. There’s also the “Clinton will be indicted” true believers and those that just want to push the overton window. I don’t expect him to drop out of the race tonight. He hasn’t been very gracious in his concession speeches to date. If, as many believe, tonight finally drives a stake into his campaign, does he show any sign of backing off from the direct attacks on Clinton. Will he indict unequivocally that he will be supporting Clinton in November and his supporters should do so as well? Or, does he continue with his slippery weasel words? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/23 "2016-04-26T11:48:47Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Won’t happen. Even if mathematically eliminated there are enough diehard supporters to fund him all the way to the convention. There’s also the “Clinton will be indicted” true believers and those that just want to push the overton window. I think a lot of Bernie Bros saw a realistic path to a floor fight. I also saw the possibilities of that path, which I discussed and kicked around at length on a few of the political threads. That path did not necessitate winning last week’s race in New York, but it absolutely included winning big today, and winning big absolutely means winning PA (or perhaps coming within a whisker of victory if he can win a majority of other states). Until last week, Bernie was gaining ground in national polls and he was on a major win streak. There was also a precedent of Bernie scoring major come-from-behind upsets. So it wasn’t out of the realm of possibility to throw out the possibility of Bernie going on a long win streak to close out the primary season and throw the convention into chaos. Unfortunately for Sanders Nation, though, the polls over the last week suggest that this scenario probably won’t happen. Clinton didn’t collapse in New York. She doesn’t appear to be collapsing in the Northeast. And if these recent polls are accurate, then tomorrow morning will be a day of sober reckoning for even the hardiest of his supporters. It’s going to be hard to spin a Sanders floor fight if he loses the most diverse states, the largest states, and most of the swing states. It’s true that Clinton is a vulnerable candidate, but Sanders would, by all accounts, be even more vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/24 "2016-04-26T11:55:18Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … which I discussed and kicked around at length on a few of the political threads … Do tell! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/25 "2016-04-26T12:22:32Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I don’t expect him to drop out of the race tonight. He hasn’t been very gracious in his concession speeches to date. If, as many believe, tonight finally drives a stake into his campaign, does he show any sign of backing off from the direct attacks on Clinton. Will he indict unequivocally that he will be supporting Clinton in November and his supporters should do so as well? Or, does he continue with his slippery weasel words? The Clinton campaign, to their credit, have been relatively gentle so far. I hope that the race is sealed today - with a strong performance from Clinton putting things “beyond question” well and truly. It is time for Bernie to “close ranks” and show strong support for the Dem cause moving forward. It would be nigh on criminal to do anything less and open even the slightest chink for the Orange One to exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/26 "2016-04-26T13:41:11Z")
Many Sanders supporters saw a path to a floor fight. None of them saw a realistic path. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/27 "2016-04-26T14:40:02Z")
Here is the list of district delegates from the Pennsylvania state election site, along with their candidate preferences, based on the “official” Trump and Cruz lists and the Allentown/Lehigh Valley Morning Call list. I put it inside a spoiler block so those of you who don’t want to see it don’t have to scroll down a rather long list to get to the rest of the thread. - next to a candidate indicates the delegate is on the candidate’s “official” slate but has said they would vote for the district winner - next to a delegate indicates a write-in delegate A candidate name in parentheses indicates someone not on that candidate’s official slate **District 1** Hackett, David - District Winner Kaufer, Seth W - Unpledged Vogler, Christopher M - Unpledged **District 2** Cohen, Aaron J - Unpledged Gessa, Aldridk - Cruz Havey, Elizabeth - District Winner Tucker, Calvin R - Unpledged **District 3** Aliota, Louis J - (Trump) Baker, Michael T - District Winner Ellis, Brian L. - ? English, Philip S - Unpledged Keffalas, James S - Trump Measel Jr, Gale E - District Winner Metcalfe, Daryl D - ? Mustello, Michele - District Winner Ryan, Carol Lynne - Trump Vete Jr, Daniel P - Trump Yates, Robert J. - Cruz\* **District 4** Barker, Timothy - District Winner Brennan, Amy Sarah - ? Burford, Joseph Scott - State Winner Gerow, Charles R. - District Winner Gillispie, Marilyn S - Cruz Hower, Betsy - State Winner Jansen, Matthew R - Trump Matthias, G Edwin - (Cruz) Puig, Ana L. - (Withdrew?) Ritter Jr, Andrew Joseph - District Winner Rothman, William Greg - District Winner Sacco, Joseph A - Trump Saylor, Stanley E - District Winner Scaringi, Marc Anthony - Trump Shorb, Alexander V - District Winner **District 5** Chura Jr., Richard J - Cruz Haas, Joyce C - District Winner Khare, Ash - Trump\* Klein, James Feuer - Trump Kroeker, Barry K - Cruz Mcclure, C Arnold - Trump Schreffler, Scott W - District Winner Sterrett, Sheila Fitzgerald - District Winner Stewart, Lyle - Cruz **District 6** Buckwalter, Wayne - Trump Costello, Ryan A - District Winner Hager, W Douglas - District Winner Kichline, Michelle Haris - District Winner Lightcap, Vicki - Trump Stohler, Larry E - State Winner Wert, Mary Elizabeth - Cruz Wert, Robert A - Cruz **District 7** Miller, Joan M - ? Puppio, Michael V - District Winner Ting, Jan C - Trump Wike III, Ralph E - Trump Willert, Robert J. - ? **District 8** Casper, Barry Robert - Trump Digirolamo, Gene - Unpledged Evangelou, Deborah A - Cruz Loughery, Robert G - Unpledged Quinn, Marguerite C - ? Shute, Sean M - Trump Worthington Jr, Samuel James - Trump **District 9** Kaneshiki, Lois M. - Cruz Knotts, Cody Raymond - Trump Lamantia, Joseph - Trump Show, Clayton David - Cruz Shuster, William F - Unpledged Taylor, Debra D - Trump Thomas, Robert L - Unpledged Ward, Judith F - District Winner **District 10** Belz, Ryan Alan - (Trump) Brewer, Charles John - Cruz\* Bristol, Krystle R - District Winner - Greenaway, Elizabeth - Cruz Harris, Mark J - District Winner Hayes, Jonathan Corona - Unpledged Holt, Mark F - Cruz Huffman Jr., David Alexander - Unpledged Pickett, Tina - Trump\* Saylor, Patricia L - ? Scavello, Mario Michael - Trump Schrader, Nancy L - District Winner Sides, Carol D - Trump Stoicheff, Mark E - (Trump) Wells, John - (Trump) **District 11** Adams, Richard P - (Cruz) Bear, Philip G. - District Winner Drewniak, Carol H - Cruz Haste, Jeffrey T T - ? Helm, Susan C - District Winner Henry, Lowman S - Cruz Loose, Marlene Faye - (Trump) Mcelwee, David J - Trump Morelli, Richard - Trump Mosel, J Daniel - Cruz Pyne, Thomas James - (Cruz) Shecktor, Andrew - Trump Sherwood, Donald L - ? Urbanski, William C - ? Warren, Rebecca - District Winner **District 12** Borland, Lawrence M - Cruz Cooper, Jill N - District Winner Fromme, Christopher H - ? Howard, Robert C - District Winner Keeler, Bruce - Cruz Keller, Gabriel C - (Trump) Majernik, David J - District Winner Mcmullen, Micahel P - District Winner Miclot, Samuel G. - District Winner Morrill, Monica - Trump Sernell, Joseph Matthew - Trump Steigerwalt, George F - Cruz Trevorrow, Michele T - ? Valente, Louis Roger - State Winner on first ballot; District Winner after that Vasilko, James J - Trump **District 13** Apt, Alan - ? Casper, Lauren Elizabeth - Trump Cox Jr, Gilbert W - Trump Ellis, Thomas Jay - Trump\* Levy, Pamela - Unpledged Mcmonagle, Michael J - Cruz Oscar, Shannon Meadors - District Winner **District 14** Devanney, Michael - Unpledged Linton, Cameron S - Unpledged Meloy, Mary A - Unpledged **District 15** Browning, Dean N - Cruz Cole II, Malcolm C - (Cruz) Heydt, William L - District Winner Hoffman, Mark S - Cruz Kerwin, Patrick J - Trump Leinbach, Christian Y - Cruz Mackenzie, Ryan E - Unpledged Reber Sr, John K - Trump Smith Jr, Robert E - Unpledged Uehlinger, Scott C. - Trump\* **District 16** Brubaker, Douglas W - Cruz Chiomento III, Thomas Vincent - ? Christopher Jr., Terry R - District Winner Denlinger, Gordon Ray - Unpledged Dumeyer, David M - District Winner Lemon Esq, Marcus James - Trump **District 17** Ames, Robert E - District Winner Blauer, George Paul - (Trump) Boltz, Ronald L - Cruz Bonkoski, Carolyn L - Trump Dougherty, Mary Beth - Unpledged Gaffney, Theresa S - (Trump) Halcovage Jr, George F - District Winner Kirkwood Sr, Charles Warren - Unpledged, but asking for advice on his web page Snover, Gloria Lee - Trump\* Villano, Teresa Lynette - Trump - Underwood, Joel - Cruz Whitehead, Thomas - District Winner **District 18** Avolio, Scott E - District Winner Deplato Phd, Justin - Trump Konkus, Charles T - ? Means Jr., James R. - Cruz Means, Sue Ann - Cruz Petrarca, John Thomas - Trump\* Quaye III, Albert Ernest - District Winner Saccone, Richard - District Winner Silvis, Mary Jo - District Winner Strain, Virginia J - ? Uram, Thomas J - Trump ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/28 "2016-04-26T15:13:38Z")
Looking at the list That Don Guy posted, the interesting thing to note (as the hot air article I posted does) is the number of districts that Cruz does not have 3 loyal delegates in. 12 of the 18 by my count. So that’s two thirds of the districts that he is unable to take completely. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/29 "2016-04-26T15:26:37Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > It is time for Bernie to “close ranks” and show strong support for the Dem cause moving forward. It would be nigh on criminal to do anything less and open even the slightest chink for the Orange One to exploit. And that’s where it gets dicey. Bernie’s greatest strength is his personal integrity and his weakness is the degree to which his platform is perceived as being off the mainstream. Sending forth the unlikable and ethically vulnerable Hillary with a lot of Bernie’s agenda – which is what he wants to achieve – has the potential to be, politically, the worst of both worlds. Bernie has to understand that Hillary is winning, despite her considerable faults, in large part because she’s not Bernie and her platform isn’t Bernie’s platform. Sad but true. Bernie is going to have to give up a lot of his idealism. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/30 "2016-04-26T15:52:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And that’s where it gets dicey. Bernie’s greatest strength is his personal integrity and his weakness is the degree to which his platform is perceived as being off the mainstream. Sending forth the unlikable and ethically vulnerable Hillary with a lot of Bernie’s agenda – which is what he wants to achieve – has the potential to be, politically, the worst of both worlds. Bernie has to understand that Hillary is winning, despite her considerable faults, in large part because she’s not Bernie and her platform isn’t Bernie’s platform. Sad but true. Bernie is going to have to give up a lot of his idealism. The problem is, how many of his supporters will refuse to support Clinton unless she pledges to support at least some of Sanders’s platform - and in that case, which parts? Does anybody have any idea how much of Bernie’s support comes from college (and 18-year-old high school) students (and a lot of their parents) who are in it primarily for the free tuition, or at least a chance to cut the interest rate on their existing student loans? How about from supporters of single-payer healthcare paid for by taxes on the rich (or at least, that’s what they are assuming)? ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/31 "2016-04-26T16:26:04Z")
[Sanders: If Clinton Wins, She’ll Have To Win Over My Supporters Herself](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-clinton-supporters-go-out-to-you) Clickbait-y headline notwithstanding, if this is any indication of Sanders’ approach to rapprochement, I’m not encouraged. From the article: > [@Bernie Sanders to a Supporter](#): > > “And if Secretary Clinton wins, it is incumbent upon her to tell millions of people who right now do not believe in establishment politics or establishment economics, who have serious misgivings about a candidate who has received millions of dollars from Wall Street and other special interests,” he said. “She has got to go out to you.” ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/32 "2016-04-26T16:27:14Z")
Which states are winner take all, winner take most, and proportional? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/33 "2016-04-26T16:40:34Z")
On the plus side on the Clinton/Sanders front, young voters overwhelmingly prefer Clinton over Trump. Per Political Wire this morning: > [@](#): > > A new Harvard Institute of Politics poll of young voters finds Hillary Clinton the clear front-runner over Donald Trump to win the White House in 2016, 61% to 25%. There’s still the weight of turning them out to the polls but there isn’t any major “Well, our outside guy didn’t win so let’s all go for the other outside the establishment guy!” mindset as some predicted. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/34 "2016-04-26T17:01:49Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Does anybody have any idea how much of Bernie’s support comes from college (and 18-year-old high school) students (and a lot of their parents) who are in it primarily for the free tuition, or at least a chance to cut the interest rate on their existing student loans? How about from supporters of single-payer healthcare paid for by taxes on the rich (or at least, that’s what they are assuming)? I haven’t seen any evidence that Bernie’s support is dominated by any single-issue obsessions like that. Nor do I think that Bernie’s support is driven by young people or anyone else wanting “free stuff”. As Van Jones said the other night, it’s not about wanting “free stuff” but about the fact that we all pay taxes and then there is a consensus about where the money goes, and what Bernie supporters want to see is less money spent on dumb wars and massive prison programs and more money spent on things that people actually need. ISTM that Bernie support is based on that broad ideology of social reform. The idea of health care being “paid for by the rich” is especially strawman-ish. Since all available evidence shows that universal health care is dramatically less expensive than private insurance which is notoriously inefficient, all that the Bernie types are saying is why don’t we do it the smart way instead of the dumb way. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/35 "2016-04-26T17:09:39Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Which states are winner take all, winner take most, and proportional? [Here’s a list](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19229049&postcount=27) I made about a month ago ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/36 "2016-04-26T17:16:33Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Which states are winner take all, winner take most, and proportional? Pennsylvania is a “loophole” primary. As described above each district votes directly for its 3 delegates with no candidate preference mentioned on the ballot. 17 statewide delegates are awarded WTA. > **[Pennsylvania Republican Delegation 2016](http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/PA-R)** > > Pennsylvania Republican Delegation 2016 Maryland is WTA for each district plus the 14 delegates for the staewide winner. > **[Maryland Republican Delegation 2016](http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/MD-R)** > > Maryland Republican Delegation 2016 Delaware is WTA for statewide winner. > **[Delaware Republican Delegation 2016](http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/DE-R)** > > Delaware Republican Delegation 2016 Rhode Island is proportional for each of the two districts and statewide for the remaining 13 delegates. > **[Rhode Island Republican Delegation 2016](http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/RI-R)** > > Rhode Island Republican Delegation 2016 Connecticut awards the delegates WTA within each district with a proportional allocation for the 13 at large delegates, with a WTA being triggered at 50% statewide. > **[Connecticut Republican Delegation 2016](http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/CT-R)** > > Connecticut Republican Delegation 2016 ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/37 "2016-04-26T20:03:58Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I haven’t seen any evidence that Bernie’s support is dominated by any single-issue obsessions like that. Nor do I think that Bernie’s support is driven by young people or anyone else wanting “free stuff”. As Van Jones said the other night, it’s not about wanting “free stuff” but about the fact that we all pay taxes and then there is a consensus about where the money goes, and what Bernie supporters want to see is less money spent on dumb wars and massive prison programs and more money spent on things that people actually need. ISTM that Bernie support is based on that broad ideology of social reform. > > The idea of health care being “paid for by the rich” is especially strawman-ish. Since all available evidence shows that universal health care is dramatically less expensive than private insurance which is notoriously inefficient, all that the Bernie types are saying is why don’t we do it the smart way instead of the dumb way. Can’t speak directly to health care, but Sanders has certainly said things like “we’re going to make public colleges tuition free, and we’re going to make Wall Street pay for it.” Lines like these go over very well with his supporters. It would be interesting to know how much of the enthusiasm for the proposal is “making college tuition free” and how much is “making college tuition free and having someone else pay for it.” If people were told that earners above $70,000, say, or $50,000, or take your pick, would be taxed to help pay for the program, would support for the proposal drop? I kind of suspect it would. We do like our free stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/38 "2016-04-26T20:13:11Z")
Speaking only for myself, my college days are behind me, and I’d still support a tax increase on my own bracket if that was what was needed to make college free for all. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/39 "2016-04-26T20:27:38Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Speaking only for myself, my college days are behind me, and I’d still support a tax increase on my own bracket if that was what was needed to make college free for all. I expect a lot of people would. But that’s not the rhetoric of the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/40 "2016-04-26T20:40:55Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > [Sanders: If Clinton Wins, She’ll Have To Win Over My Supporters Herself](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-clinton-supporters-go-out-to-you) > > Clickbait-y headline notwithstanding, if this is any indication of Sanders’ approach to rapprochement, I’m not encouraged. > > From the article: I think that’s always a challenge for the nomination fight winner. Probably most of the democrats who voted for Sanders will end up voting for Hillary, especially if it looks like Trump or Cruz might actually come close to winning. Sanders has almost guaranteed that Clinton will be pushed to the left of where she would have been otherwise without the success of his campaign. There are rumblings of Elizabeth Waren being picked as her veep candidate. I’m not sure that would be my first choice but it probably reassure a good number of the Bernie support base that Clinton is serious about doing more than just paying lip service to their campaign. If democratic voters are seriously going to get hung up on whether Clinton decides to go from 10 to 12 to 15 per hour over a period of years, rather than just jumping straight into a $15 per hour minimum wage right now, then there’s a lot more to worry about than whether or not Clinton can win the general election. I’d be worried if the progressive movement hasn’t, in fact, come unhinged, just as the radical right wing has. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095.md?page=3)