# Mini Tuesday April 26 Primaries discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 25, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095 "2016-04-25T15:29:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 148
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095/148 "2016-04-27T16:22:49Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Don’t pretend you’re above this political theater if it comes down to only Trump and Hillary. I am, actually. I don’t have a team. My identity is not tied to a party or a particular brand of politics. I want to see the world as it is, and use my best judgment. That places me above all of the people who’ve chosen a team and make the facts fit their biases. > [@](#): > > You don’t get to retreat to a magical bubble where all of Sanders’ plans become law and laugh as you watch the rest of us suffer on earth. You’re part of this too. Care about Planned Parenthood? Its funding is gone if you don’t vote Clinton and Trump wins. Like what Sanders said about free college? How about higher costs and less ability to declare bankruptcy if Trump wins? You applaud Sanders when he said we should break up the big banks? If you don’t vote Clinton and Trump wins, guess who’s getting a seat at the table writing new protection laws for Wall Street? The big banks! You actually picked some poor examples. Trump supported Planned Parenthood from what I recall, and Clinton is more beholden to banks than Trump is. Charles Koch is thinking about endorsing Clinton in her presidential run. He’s more scared of Trump. > [@](#): > > But if your goal is to elevate the progressive policies of people like Sanders vs. the establishment, think of what deserting Clinton would mean. This actually is not my goal. I’m not particularly invested in progressive politics as a whole. > [@](#): > > Many of us are STILL pissed at Nader for helping to steal the 2000 election. Do you think we’ll give you a bigger seat at the table if you screw us now? Yes, actually. That’s the only way you actually CAN influence the parties to give you a seat at the table. If Trump wins 48-45-7, and the 7% is Jill Stein, then the democrats are going to change their platform to try to be inclusive towards the things that 7% wants, so they can win again. “Shut up and vote democrat no matter what” is what makes the democrats uninterested in actually representing the wants of their constituents. If you give them unfaltering loyalty no matter what they do, what interest do they have in actually serving what you want? They’ve got your loyalty and your vote no matter how hard they screw you over. > [@](#): > > If anything, we’ll try to push you out as much as possible, and then you can watch in horror as the Democrats fracture and infight like the GOP is doing now. You’re in this too, like it or not Right, because what the major political parties want is to push out people who are otherwise inclined to support them. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mini-tuesday-april-26-primaries-discussion-thread/753095)._