# Minneapolis is Burning...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589 "2020-05-28T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/221 "2020-05-30T00:46:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Looting TVs and Jordan’s is really sticking it to The Man. TVs and Jordans? What the fuck is this, 1991!? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/222 "2020-05-30T00:51:05Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Speaking as another veteran, I just wanna say it’s really getting meta in here now. As a non-veteran, I don’t appreciate all these veterans getting to have more valid opinions on these matters. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/223 "2020-05-30T01:00:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Looting TVs and Jordan’s is really sticking it to The Man. Then arrest those who are looting and pillaging. How many, out of the many thousands who are marching and protesting, do you really believe are involved in these activities? There are always going to be bad apples, but they should be dealt with accordingly and shouldn’t detract from the bigger message being sent. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/224 "2020-05-30T01:15:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Looting TVs and Jordan’s is really sticking it to The Man. Equally true of the white, AR carrying tactical-warriors showing up to demand they get haircuts and Red Lobster biscuits, all the while potentially blocking access to hospitals. Fuck the MAN! ---
**Author:** ![FavreCo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@FavreCo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FavreCo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/225 "2020-05-30T01:19:32Z")
Hopefully some of the loser rioters kill each other. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/226 "2020-05-30T01:30:52Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > Hopefully some of the loser rioters kill each other. I know you are hoping for black people to kill each other, but are you expressing the same sentiment for what appears to be the first person to get things started (hint: Not black): [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYCb17RjUTQ) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/227 "2020-05-30T01:32:18Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If you have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops but the 1000 good cops don’t turn in the 10 bad cops, you have 1010 bad cops. Stop being so binary. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/228 "2020-05-30T01:36:47Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > Hopefully some of the loser rioters kill each other. Or better yet. Hopefully the rioters will get to affect serious changes in how their city conducts it law enforcement, prosecution of criminals who work in law enforcement, and society will learn to institutionalize these changes to bring about wider systemic legal equality in America. I know some people like to root for the bad guys, I just never understood them. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/229 "2020-05-30T02:08:30Z")
> [@crywalt](#): > > This interview has some interesting angles on the subject of violent protest and non-violent protest. Prof. Wasow was incidentally the student body president of my high school. > > [How Violent Protests Change Politics | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-violent-protests-change-politics) Back in the early days of MSNBC, Omar Wasow was a political commentator, and an excellent one at that. ---
**Author:** ![DannyBeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dannybeans/32/38_2.png) [@DannyBeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DannyBeans)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/230 "2020-05-30T02:08:57Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > It’s a similar mask but not the same. The state trooper masks has one black filter cartridge, the man who broke the window has two pink filter cartridges. That’s the standard color for P100 filters. I wear them in my workshop. They’re good against particulates and organic vapors. Wouldn’t want to try them out against tear gas, though. Definitely not something a police force would issue as riot gear. Not saying it wasn’t an agent provocateur, but the mask isn’t much of a giveaway. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/231 "2020-05-30T02:18:00Z")
I caught some hell for this post at the time, but everyone’s opinions of Huey Freeman aside, I think it has aged a little better than some might have initially thought: [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21426494&postcount=123](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21426494&postcount=123) > [@](#): > > It’s up to the individual black person how they wish to address that. The conventional wisdom among fair-minded, moderate white progressives is that whites have changed, and that the best way to achieve progress is to trust that whites will be less racist going forward. Whites also point out that people like Huey are “polarizing” and “counter-productive.” And politically, maybe they’re right. I would find it hard to disagree that Martin Luther King was successful in large part because he chose non-violent protest and he operated in the spirit of integration and tolerance towards whites. > > But what you don’t understand -what you’ll never understand - is that it’s a burden that black people carry with them - every day. Jackie Robinson had people try to run him over in the base paths and call him the ‘n’ word during games. And he was told from day one that he couldn’t fight back, even if someone pushed him to the edge. Barack Obama had the burden of being not just president, but being a model for black Americans. When Obama said “The officer acted stupidly” and “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin,” much of white America lost its mind and called him a ‘race-baiter.’ Black people have the burden to be gentlemanly in the eyes of whites, even when whites in this society are held to a much lower standard in return. “Oh, I’m not really a racist, I just, I don’t know…had a bad day and the word ‘n----er’ slipped out. I said I was sorry, right?” > > So I can understand it if people like Huey say something like: > > “Fuck that, I refuse to be burdened by your expectations of me, especially when I know you hold yourself to a lower standard. Whether you realize you do or not is none of my concern. My life experience and knowledge of American history is my guide here, not your words, and certainly not your attempt to saddle me with a guilt trip and lecture about the experiences of other groups of people you whites have marginalized over the years.” > > \*\*I think it’s also good for whites to realize that there are Huey’s out there, not just Martin Luther Kings, Jackie Robinsons, and Chris Rocks. \*\*I don’t think the Hueys of the world are going to lead any kind of constructive inter-racial dialogue, but I think it’s important to know that people like him exist. If I walk up to random guys on the street and say “Hey, guess what? I banged your mother.” Most would probably stop just short of punching me in the face, but eventually, I’d find one who would. It’s important to know that people like that exist, that you can’t always count on people to be at their best, and how people choose to handle offense is up to the individual. > > \*\*Whites need to understand that not every black person is interested in being Martin Luther King or Ghandi. Not everyone agrees that turning the other cheek is the best way to deal with racial oppression. It’s important for whites to know that a system that is racist inevitably leads to racial tension, and some people are going to respond to that tension with militarism and hatred. > \*\* I’m not trying to bring up a debate about whether Huey Freeman was a useful or tasteless poster, but I seriously doubt he was a troll. He posted ideas that ran against the grain and challenged mostly white polite conventions about how to engage in discourse about race. As I said, there are people who simply have no fucking time for that, and we can see why. Maybe the events of the last few days have made this post a little clearer. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/232 "2020-05-30T02:28:44Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Drunk drivers who kill someone didn’t set out to kill anybody. They just wanted to get home from the bar. But they can still get charged with murder. They typically get charged with manslaughter, not murder. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/233 "2020-05-30T02:34:53Z")
Facebookers are saying the protest are funded by Soros. Presumably, the virus isn’t keeping people kept inside anymore and they’re going for martial law. I was thinking last week, we’re never going to be Carefree again. I think Im right ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/234 "2020-05-30T02:43:16Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > As a non-veteran, I don’t appreciate all these veterans getting to have more valid opinions on these matters. That was of course sarcastic. META! (Also, _The Aristocrats!_) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/235 "2020-05-30T02:52:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I caught some hell for this post at the time, but everyone’s opinions of Huey Freeman aside, I think it has aged a little better than some might have initially thought: > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21426494&postcount=123](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21426494&postcount=123) > > I’m not trying to bring up a debate about whether Huey Freeman was a useful or tasteless poster, but I seriously doubt he was a troll. He posted ideas that ran against the grain and challenged mostly white polite conventions about how to engage in discourse about race. As I said, there are people who simply have no fucking time for that, and we can see why. Maybe the events of the last few days have made this post a little clearer. Huey’s banning was a farce. It occurred because he made people uncomfortable with the implications of his writings. That said, there is a difference in writing uncomfortable to read things and rioting. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/236 "2020-05-30T04:15:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Where are you getting this? Kim Lee’s. I know. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/237 "2020-05-30T04:17:00Z")
New York police put arrested protesters on a bus to send them off to a detention facility, and the bus driver refused to transport them. > **[NYC Bus Drivers Union Refuses to Transport Protesters for the NYPD](https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7jed3/nyc-bus-drivers-union-refuses-to-transport-protesters-for-the-nypd)** > > Organized labor is supporting people who are protesting the police killing of George Floyd. The union is supporting him. "TWU Local 100 Bus Operators do not work for the NYPD. We transport the working families of NYC , all TWU Operators should refuse to transport arrested protesters. " > ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/238 "2020-05-30T05:39:56Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > Facebookers are saying the protest are funded by Soros. Presumably, the virus isn’t keeping people kept inside anymore and they’re going for martial law. I was thinking last week, we’re never going to be Carefree again. I think Im right I think you’re a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/239 "2020-05-30T07:06:15Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > TVs and Jordans? What the fuck is this, 1991!? Nope 2020. Some things don’t go out of style during riots of opportunity. Minneapolis and other places are currently being torched, looted, and terrorized. Why have the apologists here gone silent? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/240 "2020-05-30T07:14:05Z")
They were grabbing Starbucks crap like crazy. One guy had a gallon of milk coming through the broken glass door. I wouldn’t waste my time. Go for the liquor:) and TP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=13)